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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ashtonkem »

hn_throwaway_99 wrote: post #19
ammon wrote: post #10

Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…

The objection seems to be that this is automatic, with opt out, instead of with opt in. Another commenter makes the point that the opt out button is difficult to find. Those are the issues you should address.

I have a hard time not believing that the opt out button is hard to find on purpose.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by cottonseed »

aidos wrote: post #204

Wow. Thanks for this. I ignored the email because Triplebyte just feels a bit spammy to me now so I mentally block it out. Have logged in to stop this from happening and currently apparently I'm "Open to discussing new opportunities", which is news to me. On trying to change it to "Not interested in any new opportunities" there's a dropdown that says "I’d be open to new opportunities in:" and most you can set it to i…

Thanks for the links. I registered but never set up a profile, and if you click the link in the email or [0] above, it forced you to set up a profile before you can configure your privacy settings.

Also, after opting out of personal data sharing:

> We're processing your request and should be done within 30 days.

Same for deleting your account.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by troydavis »

TAForObvReasons wrote: post #360
nabilhat wrote: post #343

Assume for a moment I'm a bad-faith, nosy employer who reads HN on a Saturday morning. All it takes for me to match up my little stack of current employee's resumes is a person's city of residence, skills, and employment dates. If I'm that kind of employer, that's enough to raise my red flags. If prior employers are named outright, that's a 100% ID. If employment dates are paired with employment location, that's a 10…

> those comments don't get flagged out of future HN search results. Triplebyte is a YC company and HN is a YC site, so economic interests are aligned with nuking highly critical comments

> economic interests are aligned with nuking highly critical comments

This is theoretically true, but the fact that it's been on the home page for 12 hours and has accumulated hundreds of critical comments, none of which any mod has touched, seems to (a) eliminate that possibility and (b) demonstrate that the risk is theoretical, not actual.

(Keep in mind that YC has thousands of investments, so whatever you think of their ethics or the incentives, a filter like this would be impractical and obvious. Also see "Not behaving in a way that damages the reputation of his/her company" on https://www.ycombinator.com/ethics/ - it's hard to imagine YC supporting this.)

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by sah2ed »

ammon wrote: post #66
interactivecode wrote: post #61

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Hey Ammon, the idea is good, it's solid. Nothing bad there. I think everyone knows LinkedIn has it's issues. But like come on. Why make everyone's private job search public? by default no less!? How can we trust triplebite with our career, finance information and personal information when you pull these kinds of moves. Make a good product. If it's actually good people will sign up.

We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.

> We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.

You are totally missing the point. You think the change significantly improves your product, but your users perceive the change as a massive breach of trust. Why? Because the underlying JTBD (job-to-be-done) for a lot of engineers is discreet job searching. IOW, for a lot of people, a public TB profile would be like having a private Ashley Madison profile [0] exposed to the public. Ashley Madison was a major source of embarrassment for many when they suffered a breach.

Rather than double-down, might be time to step back a bit. The aphorism "the market's perception is your reality" is especially instructive.

[0] The Ashley Madison metaphor used by this commenter is especially apt: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23280782

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by mrnobody_67 »

WOW!

Amazing that company founded by a former YC Partner could be so tone deaf. Just because their business is failing and they want to pivot into a LinkedIn competitor does't make it my problem.

Dark opt-out patterns send on a FRIDAY before a 3 day long weekend to hide facts from us, with crazy convoluted methodology for deleting accounts, and buried opt-out...

This is shady as hell, and thinking that you can "explain" it to us here and that we are wrong and you are right, and if we had just a little more "Facts" we'd change our mind, tells me everything I need to know about the leadership and future of this company

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by pmiller2 »

reitzensteinm wrote: post #224
pmiller2 wrote: post #195

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have a TripleByte profile. Am I job hunting? This is not a hypothetical. I really do have a profile.

Not necessarily. But what if you didn't have one yesterday, but you do have one today? What if you have only worked for one employer since TripleByte was founded (2015)? What if the only place you've worked is a startup of which you're a cofounder? If you can't think of a way in which a privacy leak can have consequences, that doesn't mean there aren't any.

What if I have? How does that imply anything other than that I took a test?

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by togusa2017 »

deepaksurti wrote: post #116
u08ywo wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It takes 30 days for any of these, actions to take place, but the window in which it was announced is a week. Something seems off.

And you need to have logged in already for the delete to work, after which you get an email to approve the request which ends up with this notice of requiring government id as well. Govt Id, really, what are they thinking here? ``` We're processing your request and should be done within 30 days. We will verify your request using the information associated with your account. Government identification may be required a…

I did this exactly right now and super pissed on what they are trying achieve by this jumping around the hoops

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by Raed667 »

gruez wrote: post #318
darekkay wrote: post #273

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> This is not lawful under both the GDPR and the CCPA. INAL, but from my understanding that's exactly what GDPR itself suggests to do: > The controller should use all reasonable measures to verify the identity of a data subject who requests access, in particular in the context of online services and online identifiers. Thats mainly because [2]: > There is a very real concern of fraudulent requests from bad actors, wh…

Is there a privacy preserving alternative to sending a scan of your drivers license/passport? Can you get a notary to attest your identity, and you send them the notarized request?

If the ID wasn't required for the account creation, why is it needed for the deletion?

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by inimino »

Ammon's previous venture was Socialcam [1], of which Wikipedia says

> Socialcam's popularity on Facebook suddenly increased in the spring of 2012, via unusually aggressive actions to induce contacts to join. It was criticized as "invasive" and a "bully" by many reviewers, for sharing what users were viewing without them realizing that that would happen.

It was only after articles like "Why I Hate Socialcam Even If It Might Be the Next Instagram"[2] (spoiler alert: it was not) started appearing that Ammon and friends sold to Autodesk for $60 million. I'm sure that investment worked out swimmingly for Autodesk. Win some, lose some, eh? But hey, at least Ammon got some resources out of it, which he went on to use to make the world a better place, and some valuable life lessons about privacy and honesty and respect, right? Right, Ammon?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Socialcam#Criticism

[2] https://www.forbes.com/sites/roberthof/2012/04/30/why-i-hate...

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