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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by netsharc » Sat, May 23, 2020, 9:56 AM UTC

iovrthoughtthis wrote: post #104

ammon wrote: post #73

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Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

Hey! Welcome to your first PR disaster. I would suggest you step away from any scripts and turn on the company ears. Simply explaining what is going on more “clear” and repeating it more often probably won’t get you anywhere good. Why does this make your users uncomfortable? How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them? Good luck!

Hopefully his last too, as the company goes down in flames. But well, scumbag CEOs usually have parachutes (or Mary Poppinsesque umbrellas?) that take them elsewhere..

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by dredds » Sat, May 23, 2020, 9:57 AM UTC

kxr wrote: post #37

throwbacktictac wrote: post #30

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This doesn't seem to work. I requested to delete my profile but I didn't get a confirmation email. However, when I requested to make my profile invisible I immediately received an email confirmation.

Clicked on the delete confirmation link, yet I can still login just fine?

There was another site that had 30 day deletion policy, but if you logged in during the 30 days then deletion was automatically cancelled. Squirrelly behavior obviously.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by neilv » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:01 AM UTC

Nezteb wrote: post #123

I have a few guesses about this: 1. Triplebyte knew this would cause some outrage, especially on HN and Reddit. 2. Triplebyte did some calculations and predicted that doing this on a Friday and only giving people a week to opt-out would result in the fewest number of opt-outs. 3. Triplebyte assumed that many of those outraged online would delete their accounts. 4. Despite all of the above, Triplebyte calculated that…

> doing this on a Friday

Was it Friday of a three-day weekend? That's one of the best news dump days of the year.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by netsharc » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:03 AM UTC

ratherbefuddled wrote: post #202

g_p wrote: post #194

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I'm not an expert in the direct applicability of GDPR, but my understanding is a European, living in Europe at the time this change happens (but who was perhaps doing an online job hunt, considering a move) might still be covered. Admittedly this is an edge case, but it's not one I'd want to risk in the era of extraterritorial enforcement of various privacy laws.

A European living anywhere is covered.

I was reading about GDPR last week (since CouchSurfing was another company that turned scumbaggy and put up a paywall that one couldn't even access one's own account to delete it without paying a subscription), as I understand it, it only applies to people who were in the EU as the data collection occurred.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by peteretep » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:05 AM UTC

The fundamental disconnect here is that Ammon seems to think this data belongs to him, for uses he deems appropriate, rather than belonging to his users.

This works for Facebook and LinkedIn because of network effects, but not for some random staffing agency with a tech gimmick. If Adecco or MichaelPage did this it’d attract the attention of ambitious public prosecutors worldwide.

It’s almost a shame, as the idea itself doesn’t seem terrible, but the auto-enrolment and dark patterns for removal makes this whole thing feel like a New Digg moment.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:07 AM UTC

localcrisis wrote: post #129

travisjungroth wrote: post #109

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> How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them? Literally just make it opt-in.

Opt-In doesn't help them achieve their product goals. Triplebyte as founded isn't working so they're trying to take a valuable asset they have (engineers looking for jobs) to compete with linkedin The problem with bootstrapping a linkedin competitor is the same chicken-and-egg problem with networks generally. You need people on it for people to join it. What Triplebyte wants is your identity public. That's the produc…

> Opt-In doesn't help them achieve their product goals.

None of the users care. Just because something is convenient, doesn't mean it's right.

On that note, I wish one day we'll stop letting startups get away with dishonest behavior (e.g. astroturfing) and dark patterns done for the sake of "solving the chicken-and-egg problem". Building a network is hard, tough shit. Doesn't mean you should build your company on lies and disrespectful treatment of your users from the start.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by ratherbefuddled » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:10 AM UTC

netsharc wrote: post #214

ratherbefuddled wrote: post #202

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A European living anywhere is covered.

I was reading about GDPR last week (since CouchSurfing was another company that turned scumbaggy and put up a paywall that one couldn't even access one's own account to delete it without paying a subscription), as I understand it, it only applies to people who were in the EU as the data collection occurred.

No, it covers EU citizens' data fully no matter where they are or where the data is. It may also cover non-EU citizens when in Europe which is perhaps what the article you read was referring to or had misunderstood.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by TeMPOraL » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:11 AM UTC

g_p wrote: post #178

ako wrote: post #165

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Did you read the fine print when signing up? Maybe this goal has been in their fine print for a long time.

From a GDPR perspective, for anyone who is able to lay claim to GDPR protections, it wouldn't matter whether this is written in red on the first line of the agreement - "data protection by default" means that you must default to not sharing with an unlimited number of people. What this means in practice is you can't default anything containing personal info to being public by default.

Yup. One of the best benefits of GDPR is that you don't have to read the fine print anymore, because companies can't legally put anything abusive in there, at least with respect to processing your data.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by itronitron » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:11 AM UTC

sohamsankaran wrote: post #160

If I understand this correctly, if you 1) did a Triplebyte assessment, and 2) didn't do especially well, it would be possible to figure this out from your profile from the lack of badges. This seems like the sort of information that people would want to keep private.

Also, your location determines (or used to determine) what assessments are available to you, which would impact badges as well.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Post by netsharc » Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:15 AM UTC

ammon wrote: post #67

yaacov wrote: post #29

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Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

Hey Ammon, learn to apologize properly: https://blogs.psychcentral.com/love-matters/2018/06/the-top-...

But well, I guess you aren't apologetic, are you Ammon. I think you just think these bunch of twits are ruining your plans to make money, and now you have to go and deal with them..