Registered on hacker news JUST to post this. I saw this email earlier today, skimmed it and thought "hmm cool they're competing with Linkedin or something" and then immediately forgot. I had absolutely no idea they were going to exploit my data and breach my expectations of privacy to drive traffic to their website (an issue in and of itself). And the part where they tell you to go ahead and opt out is hidden in ther…
"breach my expectations of privacy" Q: where did these expectations of privacy come from ?
Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#142> Your profile is about to become public That's pretty horrible. But I have to ask ... since my understanding is that hiring companies make you redo the technical interviews again, what is the point of doing the Triplebyte interview process at all? Also related, there was a startup that was scraping your Linkedin status and sending that to employers who subscribed, effectively doing the same thing Triplebyte is plann…
The hiring company has to follow a standardized flow for any candidates they get through Triplebyte. Triplebyte does their own evaluation and reports the results, and then each hiring company is only allowed to do a short non-technical[1] phone screen plus a single day of onsite interviews before either rejecting the candidate or extending an offer.
[1] and they enforce this—they specifically ask the candidate to report any technical questions asked during the phone call.
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#143Earlier quoted context omitted.
Really sorry that you think this is awful. Certainly do opt-out. I think that taking on LinkedIn and creating a better engineering resume is a good thing to do. I can assure you that the Friday announcement is a result of our team grinding to hit a planned release week, not anything other than that (I would have loved to get this out earlier in the week)
Hey Ammon, the idea is good, it's solid. Nothing bad there. I think everyone knows LinkedIn has it's issues. But like come on. Why make everyone's private job search public? by default no less!? How can we trust triplebite with our career, finance information and personal information when you pull these kinds of moves. Make a good product. If it's actually good people will sign up.
It’s the Zuckerberg playbook.
There will be some other time in the future where you’ll have to come back to opt out again.
Deletion of your account will be a soft delete, with the account popping back up again and again like a weed.
The sooner these types run out of VC money the better.
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#144Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.
“We aren’t making anyone’s subscription status public. All that their profile will show is the fact at some point in time they registered an account on Pornhub with their email address and real name, and any badges they earned.”
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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#145When big companies do, it's understandable - they know they can get away with it and they often do. But what makes these beloved and trusted folks commit such actions? (I've never used TB, but had heard so many good stories about them and had put them in my mind into that category of companies that almost send a handwritten note to their first 100 users, etc.)
Are we (users) perhaps partly to blame? Maybe we do let them get away and they know that? How many people are really going to delete their profile now? (instead of just opting out) Perhaps we should be more principled in our response to such things? Imagine they lose 90% of their user base because of this idiocy. May be that'd serve as a broader lesson of real ethics?
I remember well when Quora forced me to install their app on mobile (not just a reminder pop-up, they blocked the page fully) - I sweared to never use them ever again. I kept my promise for a year or so, and then somehow went back to reading it later; so I am guilty myself of not being principled. But these sort of decisions really really puzzle me.
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Hey Ammon, the idea is good, it's solid. Nothing bad there. I think everyone knows LinkedIn has it's issues. But like come on. Why make everyone's private job search public? by default no less!? How can we trust triplebite with our career, finance information and personal information when you pull these kinds of moves. Make a good product. If it's actually good people will sign up.
We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.
If you’re playing defense you’ve already lost. Listen to your customers.
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#147Earlier quoted context omitted.
> How can you work with them to achieve your product goals without undermining your relationship with them? Literally just make it opt-in.
Opt-In doesn't help them achieve their product goals. Triplebyte as founded isn't working so they're trying to take a valuable asset they have (engineers looking for jobs) to compete with linkedin The problem with bootstrapping a linkedin competitor is the same chicken-and-egg problem with networks generally. You need people on it for people to join it. What Triplebyte wants is your identity public. That's the produc…
They could prompt at next login instead
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#148Earlier quoted context omitted.
We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.
All over this thread you are responding about the details not being public. The existence of the job search itself is the issue. I'm not sure what's not getting through about that.
Because they are pivoting which is a nice way of saying failing.
Now if this blows up there is an even bigger target on Ammon's back and he may be panicking. That or he is a scumbag. Could be both.
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#149This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…
Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.
Just the fact that someone used your service is a signal for their current employers, it might be used against employees during lay-off rounds as interpreting it that they are 'on the market'. In the current employment climate that is super dangerous. I strongly urge you to reconsider this re-use of data, especially for EU citizens where all use other than the one for which the data is gathered is illegal. See also: GDPR, specifity as well as the section on mandatory opt-in for future use.
Note that you are opening yourself up to major legal and financial liabilities, besides the obvious personal ramifications, ie: you're on the record as a sleaze unless you handle this with velvet gloves from here on in.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Data_Protection_Regula...
Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public
#150Hey everyone. Happy to answer any questions about this. Basically, we think that LinkedIn profiles don't do a good job of showing engineering skill (especially for self-taught people or people from non-traditional backgrounds). I'm excited to just build better support for showing side projects and GitHub contributions. LinkedIn profiles have become the default engineering resume (despite the fact that most engineers…
I can appreciate that it's an exciting opportunity for your business, but your failure to read the room here seems spectacular. My jaw dropped at each of your responses failing to understand why people were concerned and react appropriately. Hopefully there's something in the explanation of new functionality that's been missed and it's a misunderstanding?!