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Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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A lot of complaints below, and not much sympathy from the likes of me on this one. An entire generation (across all age ranges) has willingly thrown out personal liberty in favour of convenience ... and now the surprise when that turns around to bite. Honestly, what did you expect ?

I expected Triplebyte to help me find a job. This is what they said they would do—the only thing they said they would do—and they did so admirably. Then some eight months later they dropped a bombshell. I’m not even sure what your argument is here; are you saying that because “an entire generation across age ranges” (whatever that means) collectively did... something... now companies can indiscriminately trample on e…

I get what you are saying, and yes, those are totally reasonable expectations in any community.

Im just saying - I think its amazing that _anybody_ trusts any of these Silicon Valley organisations to do anything reasonable. They are convenient to use, sure ... but ever trusting them to put your interests above their own. I dont understand how people can believe that.

If you hand over info and put in on their servers .. you dont own that info at all. They can, and will, do whatever they want with it to make another $

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

#83

Registered on hacker news JUST to post this. I saw this email earlier today, skimmed it and thought "hmm cool they're competing with Linkedin or something" and then immediately forgot. I had absolutely no idea they were going to exploit my data and breach my expectations of privacy to drive traffic to their website (an issue in and of itself). And the part where they tell you to go ahead and opt out is hidden in ther…

"breach my expectations of privacy" Q: where did these expectations of privacy come from ?

Others would have similar expectations, from other online services. We expect them to use our data in very limited ways that they've specified, and not suddenly start disseminating it in unexpected ways (if that is indeed what's happening with Triplebyte.)

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

First off, thanks again for taking the time to speak with us on HN.

I think you’re missing/avoiding the issue that people might want to hide the very fact that they have a Triplebyte account at all. It implies that they have job hunted in the last 5 or so years, and someone who’s been at a single company for longer than that might not want that information to be available.

I work at Google, and I can tell you as a fact that our Privacy Working Groups would never let us launch something like this without explicit user consent.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

You shouldn’t expose a public profile for accounts that were private before anyway. Is that move even legal? I’m pretty sure it’s not GDPR compliant.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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I'm curious about why this post appears to be on it way to being flagged off of the home page. It's valuable information and is likely very relevant to the HN community. Thanks for the heads up @winston_smith.

It set off the flamewar detector. We review submissions that are affected by that software, and turn it off for threads that aren't flamewars. I've done so for this one. Other than that, moderators didn't touch this post or (as far as I know) even see it.

Hey that's neat, I didn't know HN had a flamewar detector. How does it work? Content matching and post frequency?

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Hey Ammon, the idea is good, it's solid. Nothing bad there. I think everyone knows LinkedIn has it's issues. But like come on. Why make everyone's private job search public? by default no less!? How can we trust triplebite with our career, finance information and personal information when you pull these kinds of moves. Make a good product. If it's actually good people will sign up.

We're not making anyone's job search details pubic. All that the profile will show is that an engineer created a Triplebyte profile at some point in the past, and any badges they earned.

“We aren’t making anyone’s subscription status public. All that their profile will show is the fact at some point in time they registered an account on Pornhub with their email address and real name, and any badges they earned.”

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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Thanks for coming to answer questions here even though you’re likely to get dragged through the mud for this decision. FWIW, I agree with other commenters that this is a betrayal of trust but I don’t have anything original to add.

Well, sorry that you feel this way. I don't agree right now (clearly). But I'll certainly take this seriously and think more about it/listen to feedback. We're talking about relatively basic profiles, to give us the canvas to launch public achievement badges (that we hope allow us to better help people who don't have traditional credentials). My view, building this, is that we're not displaying anything more private…

The difference is that people expected their relationship with Triplebyte to be private, and not a public matter. A lot of people do not even want the fact that they're on the platform to be public. Like it or not there's a cultural expectation of "people have Linkedin all the time even when they're not necessarily job hunting," a level of leniency and acceptance that does not apply to Triplebyte (which is currently viewed as a "I want to get a job now" website)

I have had a really positive experience with Triplebyte so far but hope your team can understand the root of what is bothering people about this decision.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

Even so, the decision to make this opt-out instead of opt-in is extremely questionable. If it’s just a spot to put badges, why is it so critical that it be rushed through next week? And why are you so carefully avoiding talking about the opt-out when a significant chunk of the people in this thread are telling you that it’s the main thing they’re upset about? “Sorry that you feel this way” is the worst kind of corporate-speak non-apology that makes it clear that you’re apparently not interested in responding to feedback, but just making soothing sounds at everyone until the smoke clears and you get to continue doing exactly what you planned.

Re: Tell HN: Interviewed with Triplebyte? Your profile is about to become public

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This is horrible, what a breach of trust. I used TB to stealthily interview for jobs, had a good experience. Recommended them to others. Now I see that if I hadn't seen this post, I wouldn't have known about this and those details would have been public, which had the potential to seriously undermine me at my current position. I'll opt out tomorrow, but according to others it sounds like the visibility link was somew…

Your Triplebyte profile will NOT contain any data/details about you or your job search that will undermine you at your current employer. We should have included a screenshot and more details in the email. I'll talk to my team about following up with more details tomorrow. We are talking about a lightweight profile, like your Stack Overflow or HN profile, to provide us the canvas to release badges. That's it.

I don't get why you'd think it's okay to suddenly make private information about your users public. The lesson is not "We should've included a screenshot" but rather "We shouldn't automatically opt our users in to sharing information they thought was private.". This is a betrayal of user trust.

I saw your email in my inbox but didn't read it. I never would've noticed with improved screenshots or not. Do you read every email you get?

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