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Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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Aren't those sunk costs though? Isn't the real question whether the market's information is overly optimistic or overly pessimistic? Given perfect information in the market wouldn't we expect it to be 50/50 based on true uncertainty about the future? These aren't rhetorical questions, this is just my line of thought based on my relative ignorance of investing.

People who need cash will sell at a depressed price. People who have cash will buy from them. The overall optimism for Japan's recovery is likely to be based on at least some hard facts: Japan is a leading national economy on the world stage, historically a huge producer/innovator, and proved after WWII that they can recover fast and big. Not a bad bet, barring another catastrophe such as earthquake further South, pa…

Define fast and big. 7 years of foreign occupation occurred, with all the good and bad that comes with it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan

Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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It seems like everybody in this thread is saying "No duh, invest in Japan right now!" The assumption is that the market will turn around, and anybody who buys into Japanese companies stands to make a lot of money. If this is the case, then why are the prices going down at all? Are other investors really that ignorant?

It's easier to post a buy comment here than it is to post a buy order with your broker. I doubt many of these posters have actually put in a buy order of any substantial amount.

Pure coincidence, but I have a big order of VGTSX closing today. Couldn't be happier, I always buy stock on market drops.

Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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post #131

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People who need cash will sell at a depressed price. People who have cash will buy from them. The overall optimism for Japan's recovery is likely to be based on at least some hard facts: Japan is a leading national economy on the world stage, historically a huge producer/innovator, and proved after WWII that they can recover fast and big. Not a bad bet, barring another catastrophe such as earthquake further South, pa…

Define fast and big. 7 years of foreign occupation occurred, with all the good and bad that comes with it. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Japan

I was referring to Japan achieving the 2nd (now 3rd) largest economy within 40 odd years following near total annihilation. Not really interested in debating that point either, in case that's where you're heading...

Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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Empiricism is not on your side. The richest country in the world spends more than its fair share on 'a huge armada of amazing battle ships', actually, as much as everyone else on the planet put together, and also actively seeks out remote spots of the planet to blow stuff up in. Rinse, repeat, very rich.

Correlation != causation

Do tell what caused it then.

Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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Only an economist can consider a theory like that for more than a few seconds and not laugh hysterically. As Tom Woods has said, following this logic, the best thing we could do for our economy is build a huge armada of amazing battle ships, have Japan do likewise, then float them to the middle of the pacific and, after evacuating them (surely, the loss of human life is not a necessary component in this economic mode…

I actually believe this is a bit of an insult to economists. I don't believe most mainstream economists would consider anything involving loss of life on a large scale "a good thing", just those that dabble in economic theory.

Perhaps (definitely) I could have worded that better, but no one is considering it a good thing--just a method of 'accumulation'.

Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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> know that it will recover, whether it's over 1 year, 2 years, or longer Let's put this in perspective. The Nikkei is down 80% over the past 21 years. At an optimistic rate of increase of 6% from now, it will be another 25+ years before it hits 38957 again. All up, over 45 years. Have a look at Shiller's house price graph. From 1890 to 1955 there was zero real increase - and large falls in the meantime. This is 65 y…

Not if you have a human life span. Aha - there's our problem!

Yes, I live for the day when people start being greedy on a super-long-term, multi-generational basis, and finally investment banks will work for the general good of humanity.

Re: Bottom just fell out of Nikkei

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Happens so, so often. A great example (very YC suited!) is Apple's stock prices in January. When Steve Jobs announced his medical leave just under two months ago, the Apple (AAPL) price opened the next day (Tuesday) down 5.44% on Friday's close price. The low point on Tuesday was 6.45% lower than Friday's close price. While the price did go back up a bit that same day (the Tuesday close was only 2.25% lower than Frid…

The thing is, what if Steve Jobs couldn't return to Apple at all? So market was pricing that possibility into the price of Apple stock. There is a legitimate concern, that without Jobs to supervise things, in a year or two, the "magic" of getting the right product out at Apple would be gone. Sure, Apple would still be making money, because Tim Cook is a great COO, but the "vision" would slowly fade. Think, Microsoft…

  in a year or two
And yet the stocks have bounced way up in under two months. The only way that wasn't going to happen was if Jobs died, or perhaps if he announced a permanent retirement. Neither of those things were going to happen so quickly after the announcement, otherwise they wouldn't have announced it the way they did.

So yes, the market was pricing that possibility, but it was obvious that in no time at all it would forget about it and go mad over the Apple's short-term future. Sure enough, it did.

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