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Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by Tenobrus »

ape4 wrote: post #124
crazygringo wrote: post #26

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I saw from another thread that this is actually for the temperature of a meat thermometer, that you can constantly monitor and without having to open the grill (which is undesirable). So actually not a crock of shit, and pretty useful if you're grilling/smoking over long periods of time before/during a big party or something. Not all grilling is quick searing. Sometimes new features aren't just gimmicks, you know?

Yes that's useful but it its too bad you need an entire app for the BBQ. If it could push that info on your your home's info bus along with the other IoT stuff then you would just need one app for all.

Which you almost certainly can do with Home Assistant

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by cubedrone »

hnick wrote: post #95
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

In my opinion, Windows search is the absolute most infuriating example of this, compounded by how slow it is. Let's name it so we can shame it

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by satyrnein »

beervirus wrote: post #119
yyhhsj0521 wrote: post #104

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It's easier to do it over the internet with all the HTTP-oriented infrastructure we have nowadays. If I were the developer and just want it done quickly and reliably, I'd do a central server thingy as well.

So that when the manufacturer goes out of business (or decides that continued support isn’t profitable) it becomes a paperweight.

I'd be fairly confident that Weber will be in business selling grills 5 years from now. Still supporting some little Bluetooth gadget experiment, on the other hand...

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by Rebelgecko »

jameslk wrote: post #15
whalesalad wrote: post #12

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Have you ever used the kind of application that would be produced by a barbeque grill manufacturer? I am not surprised it has an embedded web browser and this type of misconfiguration in the bundle.

No, I usually don't install apps for things like grills, refrigerators, trashcans or other domestic objects since I can't imagine they'd offer me anything obviously beneficial. I'm sure that's why I haven't enjoyed experiences like this.

I've never used a Bluetooth one, but wireless meat thermometers are super helpful IMO. They mostly use proprietary protocols, but a lot of the 433mhz ones have been reverse engineered

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by hnick »

cubedrone wrote: post #132
hnick wrote: post #95

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

In my opinion, Windows search is the absolute most infuriating example of this, compounded by how slow it is. Let's name it so we can shame it

Just yesterday I tried to type "Network and sharing center". Apparently it does not exist in the index which is quite annoying, I have to click through the control panel (after accidentally ending up on a web search). Windows 10 is an odd beast with multiple generations of UIs all nestled away.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by cgriswald »

hnick wrote: post #98
codercotton wrote: post #76

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I swear there's some AI going on here. I've noticed that suggestions in my share panel differ depending on content, location, and other things. Or maybe it's just really undeterministic. :)

Any sufficiently unadvanced AI is indistinguishable from a random number generator.

...that uses a seed randomly pulled from a list of four seeds based on something that doesn’t have an even distribution.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by freehunter »

Groxx wrote: post #88
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

This is quite literally my least favorite UI feature that Android has ever released. It's slow. It encourages mis-taps. I have intentionally tapped it literally ever despite using the share dialog thousands of times, since it almost never shows me the desired contacts, and even then I've tapped the wrong contact half the time. It's incomprehensibly awful , wantonly violates even the most basic user-interaction guidel…

iOS actually isn’t much better here. Occasionally I’ll see something on Apple News that I want to share with friends who don’t use Apple News. I just want a web link. But despite Safari being literally the only icon I’ve ever tapped on to share something from Apple News, I have to hit the “...” and then scroll to find Safari buried in the list. I have to scroll past Strava despite (as far as I’m aware) Strava not even being able to open the link and me never having used it to open the link.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by freehunter »

hnick wrote: post #118
redkinght99 wrote: post #113

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https://www.darkpatterns.org/types-of-dark-pattern Maybe one of these?

A dark pattern is intentional, most of the stuff I'm talking about seems to be from ignorance or indifference. Asynchronous element loading saves time overall but it costs time when key UI elements rearrange. It's probably difficult to pull off but linear/blocked/sequential loading for the current viewport and offscreen asynchronous loading is probably what we need to avoid this (or ugly placeholders).

Google prioritizes time to first draw. Do they prioritize time before the page is completely loaded? I don’t know the answer but if they’re going to stay in the business of ranking pages on speed, they should be putting that as a higher priority for their rankings. Too many times I’m reading the content and yet the browser is still loading... something. What? I have no idea.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by freehunter »

Marsymars wrote: post #127
hnick wrote: post #96

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I confess I switch to Android from iPhone as a single issue voter - I just wanted to put files on and off it without the OS getting in the way. These days though I think iPhone is a little better at that, and Android gets in the way all the time ("Camera has crashed, please restart your phone" - somehow, restarting all apps that may have interacted with the camera works too Android, why don't you clean up after yours…

Yeah, I'm also a single-issue Android user (have used Dvorak for nearly 20 years now, no interest in using/learning the iOS QWERTY keyboard), and if anyone asks me, I'm hard-pressed to recommend an Android device over an iOS device.

You can use Dvorak on iOS. One example (but not the only example): https://apps.apple.com/us/app/dvorak-colemak-keyboards/id940...

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by Groxx »

hnick wrote: post #95
9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

"reflow" or "layout jank" are ones I've seen a fair number of times (not sure if "jank" was intended as "stuttering" or "unreliable", but both work if you go for the feeling)
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