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Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#91
Okay, so an IoT BBQ is a useful thing.

How are we going to prevent every single useful thing from coming up with its own crappy, poorly-maintained application? Because obviously having open standards is not enough.

So far the solution we've come up with seems to be "wait until one or a few companies dominate the market, come up with their own solution, and hope it's an open one and/or others adopt it."

This particular app might not be crappy, but I think my question still stands.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#92

What a crock of shit that grills are now IoT devices. The less of my life that’s accessible on the Internet, the better.

I saw from another thread that this is actually for the temperature of a meat thermometer, that you can constantly monitor and without having to open the grill (which is undesirable). So actually not a crock of shit, and pretty useful if you're grilling/smoking over long periods of time before/during a big party or something. Not all grilling is quick searing. Sometimes new features aren't just gimmicks, you know?

why does that need to get sent to Utah and back, though? Why not a good old radio signal to a nearby device that displays the temperature?

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#93
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No, I usually don't install apps for things like grills, refrigerators, trashcans or other domestic objects since I can't imagine they'd offer me anything obviously beneficial. I'm sure that's why I haven't enjoyed experiences like this.

This. Sure, we can question why these kinds of apps get bundled with "internet of things" devices, but it won't stop until we realise collectively we aren't in fact better off with things listening to every word, reacting to every move, recording everyone passing our house, etc.

Maybe you aren't. I love it. Hasn't hurt me in any way and I've only ever got benefits from it. Honestly, there are lots of companies and some governments I'd be willing to buy a tracking chip from to embed in my body for the right value.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#94
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i'm gonna level with you here, i've never eaten meat in my life, so am out of my comfort zone here, but i can't help but feel from reading this that the HN crowd have a propensity for over-engineering that is coming to the fore here. Fire, knives and an apron with a pithy slogan - c'mon, how hard can it be?

A business built to sell grill gadgets to the HN crowd sounds like a guaranteed recipe for failure. Anyhow, folks who are serious about preparing smoked brisket, ribs, etc., are very particular about the temperature of both the air/smoke and the food. Two thermometers and maybe a computer-controlled fan or damper are not far outside the norm.

> A business built to sell grill gadgets to the HN crowd sounds like a guaranteed recipe for failure.

Haha, gadget as in IoT crap, maybe, but we're for-sure the market for: aeropress, sous-vide devices (yes some do them DIY but...), dedicated pizza ovens, and so on. You got a gadget to prepare food or drinks that already have other ways to prepare them, HN's not a crazy place to market it. Bonus if it's "sciency" or can be described as more "authentic".

But of course we're not like the stupid plebs falling for those silly devices we don't like.

(mind, I'm far from immune to this, so I'm not just casting stones at others—oh I am getting one of those pizza ovens at some point. That's happening.)

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#95
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Android is such a drag sometimes. Between mystery quirks like this, where I'm sure someone who has been making Android apps for 6 years will be able to explain it, and things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1], such that Android will routinely topline sharing to a contact you got one text message from three years ago. "F.U., that's why" is the simplest conclusion I can…

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake?

I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#96
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Android is such a drag sometimes. Between mystery quirks like this, where I'm sure someone who has been making Android apps for 6 years will be able to explain it, and things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1], such that Android will routinely topline sharing to a contact you got one text message from three years ago. "F.U., that's why" is the simplest conclusion I can…

I confess I switch to Android from iPhone as a single issue voter - I just wanted to put files on and off it without the OS getting in the way.

These days though I think iPhone is a little better at that, and Android gets in the way all the time ("Camera has crashed, please restart your phone" - somehow, restarting all apps that may have interacted with the camera works too Android, why don't you clean up after yourself so I don't miss nice photo opportunities).

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#97
post #8

Android is such a drag sometimes. Between mystery quirks like this, where I'm sure someone who has been making Android apps for 6 years will be able to explain it, and things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1], such that Android will routinely topline sharing to a contact you got one text message from three years ago. "F.U., that's why" is the simplest conclusion I can…

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

ENGAGEMENT!

A product manager somewhere in Google is excited for their quarterly bonus.

I just clicked on google ads 3 times in 2 minutes because it keeps showing image search results. Then juuuuust as you're about to click the row of ads shows up and you click on an ad.

The AI then congratulates itself on serving such relevant ads.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#98

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> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1] that's funny because on iOS you seemingly can override the order, but the behavior of that between different apps (and/or content types?) is so undeterministic that people just give up.

I swear there's some AI going on here. I've noticed that suggestions in my share panel differ depending on content, location, and other things. Or maybe it's just really undeterministic. :)

Any sufficiently unadvanced AI is indistinguishable from a random number generator.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

#100
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> Automatic on and off of various devices and removal of crap proprietary controllers and apps has made many things much better Off-hand I'd think for things like a grill I'd want this to be handled at the power strip level. Normally a grill, like a weber grill, is just a piece of metal and will last until you wear it out (even then it's mostly the flimsy legs that fail). If you add internet connectivity, the expecte…

The annoying thing is that I can’t ever seem to find power strips with individually addressable outlets. Not even being picky and sticking with an open protocol like ptpp but any kind of internet controllable power strip. All I can find are single outlets at ~$25 a piece.

We've used a non-WiFi version of these at work with great success:

https://dlidirect.com/products/new-pro-switch

Fairly expensive though.

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