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Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by ran3824692 » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:14 AM UTC

jkcorrea wrote: post #101

aib wrote: post #91

Okay, so an IoT BBQ is a useful thing. How are we going to prevent every single useful thing from coming up with its own crappy, poorly-maintained application? Because obviously having open standards is not enough. So far the solution we've come up with seems to be "wait until one or a few companies dominate the market, come up with their own solution, and hope it's an open one and/or others adopt it." This particula…

Is that necessarily something we want to prevent? In the context of the early Web, should we have prevented any company from making their own website? Enforced some standard for how your website UX should work in the name of security and usability? Obviously not, as that diversity has led to more, better choices over time, and in the end the better UXs usually win out anyway. Perhaps in a similar way, as Weber and ot…

> In the context of the early Web, should we have prevented any company from making their own website?

Well, websites are now a bundle of arbitrary remote code execution called javascript, we didn't allow that, so by today's standards, ya we did.

> Enforced some standard for how your website UX should work in the name of security and usability?

Well, html, so ya, again, ya we did. And we could again. A lot of the functionality of apps simply don't justify requiring you to run a program.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by ape4 » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:14 AM UTC

beervirus wrote: post #7

What a crock of shit that grills are now IoT devices. The less of my life that’s accessible on the Internet, the better.

Have you the tried the iCrock, it will change your mind ;)

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by sergiotapia » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:15 AM UTC

hnick wrote: post #95

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

Google recently started doing this. I literally never click google ads, and today about four times I've click on ads because the thing I want is result #1 but just as I'm about to click three ads load in and I click the first ad.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by ape4 » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:16 AM UTC

crazygringo wrote: post #26

beervirus wrote: post #7

What a crock of shit that grills are now IoT devices. The less of my life that’s accessible on the Internet, the better.

I saw from another thread that this is actually for the temperature of a meat thermometer, that you can constantly monitor and without having to open the grill (which is undesirable). So actually not a crock of shit, and pretty useful if you're grilling/smoking over long periods of time before/during a big party or something. Not all grilling is quick searing. Sometimes new features aren't just gimmicks, you know?

Yes that's useful but it its too bad you need an entire app for the BBQ. If it could push that info on your your home's info bus along with the other IoT stuff then you would just need one app for all.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by 9nGQluzmnq3M » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

lowwave wrote: post #102

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

> and this of course gets logged by the AI @9nGQluzmnq3M don't mean to mock you. It more that it sparked a general observation that seems to be the case now dasy . It is how 'funny' it is that now days we tend to all a lot of stuff AI. Back in the days pre-internet days, this is just some kind of preferences we stored per user bases. I can see that the IT industry is a lot of what is in fashion.

It's an "AI" in the sense that it's an uncontrollable, unknowable black box that's clearly trying to be "smart" (artificially intelligent).

It's definitely not sorted by contact frequency or anything close to it, because many of the people I share with all the time never show up. As I type, three of my "top" 4 (including that plumber) are SMS, which is doubly weird since I almost exclusively use WhatsApp.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by dimator » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:22 AM UTC

dleslie wrote: post #71

bosswipe wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a bug in the app, I don't see how it is Android's fault.

This is a Play Store curation failure _as well as_ a bug in the app. This sort of fault shouldn't have been allowed to pass.

It's funny how the chrome store has skewed so far the opposite direction (kicking out extensions that claim they need http://*), but any Android app can claim they're a http:// handler.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by Marsymars » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:24 AM UTC

hnick wrote: post #96

rhizome wrote: post #8

Android is such a drag sometimes. Between mystery quirks like this, where I'm sure someone who has been making Android apps for 6 years will be able to explain it, and things like the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel[1], such that Android will routinely topline sharing to a contact you got one text message from three years ago. "F.U., that's why" is the simplest conclusion I can…

I confess I switch to Android from iPhone as a single issue voter - I just wanted to put files on and off it without the OS getting in the way. These days though I think iPhone is a little better at that, and Android gets in the way all the time ("Camera has crashed, please restart your phone" - somehow, restarting all apps that may have interacted with the camera works too Android, why don't you clean up after yours…

Yeah, I'm also a single-issue Android user (have used Dvorak for nearly 20 years now, no interest in using/learning the iOS QWERTY keyboard), and if anyone asks me, I'm hard-pressed to recommend an Android device over an iOS device.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by jlangemeier » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:25 AM UTC

andrewflnr wrote: post #84

youngNed wrote: post #58

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i'm gonna level with you here, i've never eaten meat in my life, so am out of my comfort zone here, but i can't help but feel from reading this that the HN crowd have a propensity for over-engineering that is coming to the fore here. Fire, knives and an apron with a pithy slogan - c'mon, how hard can it be?

It's not an HN thing. Cooking meat well is actually tricky.

Cooking meat well is easy, just throw it in until it looks and chews like shoe leather. Cooking meat properly on the otherhand.

Jokes aside, cooking meat properly should almost always have a leave in thermometer for anything that isn't being seared.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by dleslie » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:26 AM UTC

dimator wrote: post #126

dleslie wrote: post #71

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is a Play Store curation failure _as well as_ a bug in the app. This sort of fault shouldn't have been allowed to pass.

It's funny how the chrome store has skewed so far the opposite direction (kicking out extensions that claim they need http://* ), but any Android app can claim they're a http:// handler.

The Play Store is a disasterous shit show; I don't trust apps on it at all.

Re: I think my BBQ just offered to be my default browser?

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Post by mehrdadn » Sat, May 23, 2020, 1:26 AM UTC

hnick wrote: post #95

9nGQluzmnq3M wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> the absolute inability to override the order of items in the sharing panel As an extra F.U., it also changes the list of contacts after a second. So I try to tap on my wife, only to have it substituted with the plumber who came once half a year ago... and this of course gets logged by the AI, ensuring the plumber continues to hold pride of place in my contacts.

Is there an agreed upon name for this, where a website or app loads elements piecemeal so we click the wrong thing by mistake? I know it exists as an intentional dark pattern (so we just think that's what happened). But it also seems so common now across computing and it pisses me off every time.

This happens with Google Chrome address bar suggestions on Android too. Drives me nuts every time.