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Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by cc81 »

rewoi wrote: post #59
koiz wrote: post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. As it should be. >He is hoping that Spotify will give him more creative freedom Spreading pseudoscience isn't creative, its destructive.

Sometimes it is good to have some balance from official sources. WHO: * Masks do not work on corona virus * Taiwan is a Chinese province, not an independent country * Corona virus does not transmit between people.

Taiwan, or its official name: the Republic of China is not a member of the UN and the US does not recognize it as an independent country either.

There is a lot of diplomatic weasel words and trade offices instead of embassies to keep that up but it suports the One China policy.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by cc81 »

Will_Do wrote: post #82
jlmorton wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WHO certainly never claimed that SARS-CoV-2 does not spread between people. They said human-to-human transmission had not been confirmed. The very first signs of human-to-human transmission in the epidemic were on Jan 14th, as some family members of the initially-identified cluster began to fall ill. At this time, there were about ~50 identified cases, and zero deaths. On January 20th, one single incubation perio…

What a strange comment. Taiwan informed the WHO in December that person to person transmission was likely taking place[0]. The only sense in which it hadn’t been confirmed is in a tautological sense the WHO hadn’t confirmed it. Doctors in Wuhan were getting infected and Taiwan had proof of that. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644...

Taiwan did not mention in their email that person to person transmission was taking place. They said that WHO should do their own investigation.

Taiwan had no proof, they just did not trust China.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by interestica »

marcrosoft wrote: post #34

As an avid podcast listener and casual Joe Rogan listener I can tell you that I’m probably done listening after the transition. I’m not ever going to use Spotify to listen to podcasts. Podcasts were, and should continue to be, a free RSS feed which made them great. I’m not going to help destroy that great freedom.

I don't think of Spotify as completely walled. Does the free version put ads in the middle of a podcast or only inbetween tracks?

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by tomcam »

rconti wrote: post #85
Traster wrote: post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

In podcasting, Joe Rogan is is Joe Rogan. On Spotify, Joe Rogan is Joe Rogan with a smaller audience. I don't see how this is "the dream".

I may be going out on a limb here, but maybe a 9-figure deal is the dream part

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#105

Post by rumanator »

rthomas6 wrote: post #84
rz2k wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have never been in an accident where I was helped by wearing a seatbelt, and preparations for Y2K cost many times more than any of the harm that was caused by Y2K bugs. Considering that I've never experienced malnutrition, I seem to waste a lot of time money and effort on nutrition, too. Ignoring mental health consequences of difficult times is foolish, but this sounds much more like it was a "well, actually" sort…

The argument isn't that that point of view is correct. The argument is that it should be allowed to be presented.

Do they want to present it or to misrepresent it?

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by rumanator »

jlmorton wrote: post #72
rewoi wrote: post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes it is good to have some balance from official sources. WHO: * Masks do not work on corona virus * Taiwan is a Chinese province, not an independent country * Corona virus does not transmit between people.

The WHO certainly never claimed that SARS-CoV-2 does not spread between people. They said human-to-human transmission had not been confirmed. The very first signs of human-to-human transmission in the epidemic were on Jan 14th, as some family members of the initially-identified cluster began to fall ill. At this time, there were about ~50 identified cases, and zero deaths. On January 20th, one single incubation perio…

> The very first signs of human-to-human transmission in the epidemic were on Jan 14th, as some family members of the initially-identified cluster began to fall ill.

If you're referring to the case covered by the article published in The Lancet[1], those patients were admitted to hospital between Jan 10 and Jan 15.

Yet, prior to that date there were already reports the virus spread between humans.

[1] https://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6...

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by ponker »

I don’t think this means anyone was “ripped off.” If someone offered me $100m/yr hassle free vs needing to run an entire company and making a billion I’d take the $100m every time.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by jatesy »

originalvichy wrote: post #21

Just a quick sidenote: Joe’s friends have said that people who are throwing around numbers about how much he got from Spotify are estimating way lower than it really is. The $100M is the most common number being thrown around. I can’t tell how much the writer knows Joe’s content, but he would probably have never went with a subscription model. The free access has always been one of the #1 things he attributes to his…

Creating a subscription model for the top 5% wouldn't restrict free access. That's the big difference between the model proposed and Howard Stern's Sirius deal. Everyone else (95%) could still listen to the free (ad-funded) show, the same way they do today.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Post by jlmorton »

Will_Do wrote: post #82
jlmorton wrote: post #72

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The WHO certainly never claimed that SARS-CoV-2 does not spread between people. They said human-to-human transmission had not been confirmed. The very first signs of human-to-human transmission in the epidemic were on Jan 14th, as some family members of the initially-identified cluster began to fall ill. At this time, there were about ~50 identified cases, and zero deaths. On January 20th, one single incubation perio…

What a strange comment. Taiwan informed the WHO in December that person to person transmission was likely taking place[0]. The only sense in which it hadn’t been confirmed is in a tautological sense the WHO hadn’t confirmed it. Doctors in Wuhan were getting infected and Taiwan had proof of that. [0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644...

Talk about a strange comment. Taiwan's email did not inform the WHO of anything at all. In fact, it is best described as nothing more than a wild-ass guess.

China notified the WHO on December 31st of a cluster of cases of pneumonia of unknown cause, and noted that the patients had been isolated.

Taiwan's health minister then emailed the WHO, suggesting that the unknown illness might well be SARS, and made note of China's acknowledgement that the patients had been put in isolation.

Taiwan had zero first hand knowledge of the the virus, and zero information on the virus beyond what China had provided to the WHO and what had been reported in social media.

Taiwan's health minister's email to the WHO was literally based on nothing more than China's own statements to the WHO, and social media rumors. That is it in its entirety.

Again, like I suggested to the original commenter, please stop spreading misinformation.

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