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Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#81
Yep, this is very questionable (although is kind of typical of the 21st century business "knawledge").

First, if Rogan is doing this deal then he values himself at less than whatever they paid. I am assuming he has a fairly good understanding of that worth is (the guy has worked in media for a very long time) given that he knows what he earns, and the author doesn't/

Second, the value of these kind of audiences is pretty much always over-estimated. Spotify is way overvaluing Rogan's worth, and the author is way overvaluing Rogan's worth too. No, there isn't a huge subscription business here (Stern doesn't have one, people buy Sirius subs). Can you make money from podcast subscriptions? Yes. Should you? No.

Third, most of these media-ish companies don't think about this in a very sophisticated way (as Rogan's quote at the end demonstrates). They are desperate to create growth at any cost, they seldom focus on product or think about customer/supplier value, and usually have execs with bureaucratic/big media ways of thinking (which is useless for growth). I suspect this will be more Ninja and Mixer than Stern/Sirius...they have bought some listeners great...but unless they buy literally every podcast, their platform isn't growing (it is actually very like Twitch, what incentive does any podcaster have to move onto Spotify and make them rich...it is a ludicrous insight into the level of thought that goes into these huge, expensive deals...now Ninja is streaming to a few thousand rather than 30k...genius play Microsoft).

Fourth, the stuff about Spotify not having editorial control is not true. I don't know who is fooling who here but this is like Facebook acquiring WhatsApp and saying they are going to show ads...LOOOOOL. Spotify is a content company, if Facebook gets blamed for what other people right on their platform then Spotify is going to get hammered when Rogan (inevitably) does something unwise.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#82
post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sometimes it is good to have some balance from official sources. WHO: * Masks do not work on corona virus * Taiwan is a Chinese province, not an independent country * Corona virus does not transmit between people.

The WHO certainly never claimed that SARS-CoV-2 does not spread between people. They said human-to-human transmission had not been confirmed. The very first signs of human-to-human transmission in the epidemic were on Jan 14th, as some family members of the initially-identified cluster began to fall ill. At this time, there were about ~50 identified cases, and zero deaths. On January 20th, one single incubation perio…

What a strange comment.

Taiwan informed the WHO in December that person to person transmission was likely taking place[0]. The only sense in which it hadn’t been confirmed is in a tautological sense the WHO hadn’t confirmed it. Doctors in Wuhan were getting infected and Taiwan had proof of that.

[0] https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.ft.com/content/2a70a02a-644...

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#83
The criticism in the article is based on comparing Joe Rogan's' podcast to a SaaS business and is fundamentally flawed.

>And make no mistake: Joe Rogan is a business...I think he is capable of, his corporation would easily be valued at over $1,000,000,000...

>As I pointed out in my last post, if Rogan had added subscription, he would have owned a company that looked like the world’s best SaaS business.

The problem is that there is no exit for this business. Nobody is going to pay 20x past earnings for JRE without Joe. This is the difference between being a performer (literally a gig worker), and a business owner.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#84
post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because by far the dominant narrative among urban, educated people is that continuing lockdowns are worth it because they prevent death from COVID-19. Arguments that the lockdowns are doing more harm than good are (wrongly, IMHO) associated with political conservatism, rejection of science, and so on. Thus, evidence of the harm of lockdowns can be considered contrarian, regardless of whether it comes from medical pro…

I have never been in an accident where I was helped by wearing a seatbelt, and preparations for Y2K cost many times more than any of the harm that was caused by Y2K bugs. Considering that I've never experienced malnutrition, I seem to waste a lot of time money and effort on nutrition, too. Ignoring mental health consequences of difficult times is foolish, but this sounds much more like it was a "well, actually" sort…

The argument isn't that that point of view is correct. The argument is that it should be allowed to be presented.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

In podcasting, Joe Rogan is is Joe Rogan.

On Spotify, Joe Rogan is Joe Rogan with a smaller audience.

I don't see how this is "the dream".

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#86
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. As it should be. >He is hoping that Spotify will give him more creative freedom Spreading pseudoscience isn't creative, its destructive.

Can you point to any concrete example of Joe Rogan spreading pseudoscience?

I mean, I can when the subject is drugs...

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#87
Is it still Podcasting when Spotify doesn't even have the functionality to automatically download new episodes to your device? Wasn't this, like, the whole point of Podcasts in the first place? Subscribe, and as long as you sync (== plug in) your iPod before you leave the house, it'll have all of the new podcasts you want to listen to?

I mean, yeah, I get it, phones have data plans, but still. I LOVE Spotify, I'm a family plan subscriber, etc etc. But I'm not interested in my rates going up to pay for access to content I don't care about and could get for free if I did.

I tried to switch over to Spotify as a podcast app when Sonos ditched the ability to stream from your phone (the AirPlay2 cutover), but Spotify's podcast functionality is virtually nonexistent.

https://community.spotify.com/t5/Live-Ideas/Podcasts-Automat...

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#88

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic How is contrarian coverage "pseudoscience"? An example of contrarian coverage is the suicide rate rising due to the Bay Area stay-at-home order: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269396

That is a perfect example of pseudoscience, the article linked is anecdotal interview with two people working in one hospital. It never mentions anything about the rate.

From the article: "We've never seen numbers like this, in such a short period of time," he said. "I mean we've seen a year's worth of suicide attempts in the last four weeks."

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#89

I have no idea if it’s true, but I’ve heard that a major factor was recent pushback he was getting from YouTube with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic. Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. Much of his audience consumes the show as video on YouTube and Spotify is another major brand that will offer a simil…

Tim Pool (news commentator and multi-Rogan guest) called Rogan and apparently this is misinfo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHSJ3OFJ2E They start out by talking about some of the issues you mentioned. They break mid-way, and apparently Tim got off the phone with Rogan and cleared up that censorship was not the primary motivator. The cut to after the Rogan call is 15:27.

Hmm. It may still have been a motivator, if not the primary one. He still intends to host clips on YouTube and Spotify probably doesn’t want to be seen as a refuge for problematic creators, so he may have reason to downplay this angle publicly.

For some reason he has done a 180 from his earlier position on Spotify as quoted in the article.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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post #46
post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

Bold statement (and I admire the act for its own sake). Let’s see how it ages, but it would be helpful to define how you measure his place in popular culture. Listeners per month?

Interestingly, Reed Hastings agrees that (viewers * time watched) is the metric that will really matter in the end: https://www.cnbc.com/2019/11/06/netflix-ceo-reed-hastings-su...
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