May be I am dense but how is a podcast generating a recurring revenue? IMO the podcast is heavily tied to the main guy. In this case it’s only worth that much because Joe Rogan is there. If he gets hit by a bus or decides to just leave, Spotify is fucked. To me that is what this makes the whole deal risky. With that kind of risk, I don’t expect Spotify to pay up that much.
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>Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. As it should be. >He is hoping that Spotify will give him more creative freedom Spreading pseudoscience isn't creative, its destructive.
Sometimes it is good to have some balance from official sources. WHO: * Masks do not work on corona virus * Taiwan is a Chinese province, not an independent country * Corona virus does not transmit between people.
The WHO certainly never claimed that SARS-CoV-2 does not spread between people. They said human-to-human transmission had not been confirmed.
The very first signs of human-to-human transmission in the epidemic were on Jan 14th, as some family members of the initially-identified cluster began to fall ill. At this time, there were about ~50 identified cases, and zero deaths.
On January 20th, one single incubation period later, as healthcare workers began falling ill, both China and the WHO confirmed human-to-human transmission.
There are large numbers of examples of respiratory illnesses that do not easily transmit between humans. Most commonly, there are frequently outbreaks of H1N1 influenza from farms, with animals as the primary vector. Among coronaviruses, MERS transmits very poorly between people.
Would you have preferred the WHO loudly proclaim the virus easily transmits between people when there was no evidence that it did? That would be absurd.
Please stop spreading this misinformation.
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Someone who simply reads CDC recommendations with a 3 week lag would probably violate these policies.
Devils advocate here but If you extrapolate this argument to 1600s medical advice then surely you'd be correct and I think for good reason. I'm not sure what exactly you're suggesting (if anything).
It just means that in a span of a few weeks the evidence itself (what we know and how we understand it) can contradict itself. So basically if you say that’s okay, it’s the authoritative source, that’s fine, but it means other people might not be authoritative but may be right. So the question isn’t so much why give one preeminence based on past performance but rather why censor others who might have a case to be made?
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My guess Howard Stern is a good example from last decade. He is still around, but mostly irrelevant.
Still has a massive audience, recently had a best selling booking, and generates headlines -- but I guess you have a unique definition of relevance. I'd encourage you to listen to his guest interviews -- they are amazing.
I was previously a Stern fan and I distinctly recall listening to him on my way to school on 9/11 as he was covering the planes hitting the twin towers. I haven't heard or seen a single thing from Stern since he switched to satellite. I have no idea how to even listen to his guest interviews if I wanted. I could search for it, but that's kind of the point, I would have to search. It's never popped up in my YT/Twitter/FB feed. Friction is powerful, especially at scale.
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#75As an avid podcast listener and casual Joe Rogan listener I can tell you that I’m probably done listening after the transition. I’m not ever going to use Spotify to listen to podcasts. Podcasts were, and should continue to be, a free RSS feed which made them great. I’m not going to help destroy that great freedom.
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My guess Howard Stern is a good example from last decade. He is still around, but mostly irrelevant.
Still has a massive audience, recently had a best selling booking, and generates headlines -- but I guess you have a unique definition of relevance. I'd encourage you to listen to his guest interviews -- they are amazing.
I used to listen to Stern every once and a while when he was on the radio. I haven't listened to Stern since his move to Sirius radio. I'm not saying it was a bad move for Stern, but he certainly lost some amount of relevance, just didn't become irrelevant.
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How is a report from medical professionals on an abc affiliate contrarian?
Because by far the dominant narrative among urban, educated people is that continuing lockdowns are worth it because they prevent death from COVID-19. Arguments that the lockdowns are doing more harm than good are (wrongly, IMHO) associated with political conservatism, rejection of science, and so on. Thus, evidence of the harm of lockdowns can be considered contrarian, regardless of whether it comes from medical pro…
I have never been in an accident where I was helped by wearing a seatbelt, and preparations for Y2K cost many times more than any of the harm that was caused by Y2K bugs. Considering that I've never experienced malnutrition, I seem to waste a lot of time money and effort on nutrition, too.
Ignoring mental health consequences of difficult times is foolish, but this sounds much more like it was a "well, actually" sort of conversation meant to stroke people's egos.
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Joe Rogan typically makes a point to say what he doesn't know and tries to get interesting experts in his show. Have you watched much of his show?
He typically has no idea what they're talking about and thus lobs softball after softball at them, even when he pretends to disagree for devil's advocate sake. Most of his bigger named guests have carved out echo chambers for themselves, and Rogan lends them credibility.
You realize he doesn't have people on to grill them right? He has done well over a thousand shows with hundreds of different people. When you say 'most of his guests' are you talking about John Carmack, Tony Hawk and Rhonda Patrick or are you talking about the one time he had the guy who started the 'proud boys' on? I think a lot of people take this all or nothing stance on one bad guest out of recreational outrage without actually watching him.
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#79blah blah blah...at 52 he has FU money even for his children. Once this contract is over he can try a new model, with plenty of runaway.
Colbert is bigger than Rogan, has way more money and negotiating leverage, has experience running his own ship, but still had to tone down his humor to grandpa levels of stale. Ba dump tss, play him off Johnny, kind of stuff. Colbert could also say "fuck you" to the world, but he would also be saying "fuck you" to himself.
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#80He got ripped off and so did the rest of us. This whole ‘privatization of podcasting’ process is nothing but harmful to culture. Spotify is a pure predator.
https://mattstoller.substack.com/p/on-the-spotify-joe-rogan-... https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23261495
Yup - seems like these support the assertions.