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Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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A few of the YouTubers I follow are desperately trying to move their fan base off of YT, just to make themselves more immune to the capricious whims of YT (one of them got banned temporarily for “impersonating” themselves). It’s kind of fascinating seeing podcasters give up the kind of freedom that YT producers would kill for.

They've been doing that since at least 2014. Pewdiepie joked at several points he may aswell be a hat company because that (at the time) was the majority of his income.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

> with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic How is contrarian coverage "pseudoscience"? An example of contrarian coverage is the suicide rate rising due to the Bay Area stay-at-home order: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23269396

How is a report from medical professionals on an abc affiliate contrarian?

It's contrarian if it cuts against the majority opinion, not if it comes from some obscure source from a lunatic. There are many legitimate contrarian opinions, many of which later become the mainstream opinion.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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I have no idea if it’s true, but I’ve heard that a major factor was recent pushback he was getting from YouTube with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic. Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. Much of his audience consumes the show as video on YouTube and Spotify is another major brand that will offer a simil…

>Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. As it should be. >He is hoping that Spotify will give him more creative freedom Spreading pseudoscience isn't creative, its destructive.

Let people decide for themselves what media to believe and what media to disbelieve. It's the only way to have a free society.

It may not work if too many people are too stupid. But it may work if enough people are smart enough. And it's the only way to have a free society.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

F1 drivers drive for Ferrari because they want to win.

This ain't rocket surgery. Ferrari invests a ton more in their brand and their program than other teams do. The money you make outside of F1 from endorsements more than makes up the slightly lesser pay.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

My guess Howard Stern is a good example from last decade. He is still around, but mostly irrelevant.

Still has a massive audience, recently had a best selling booking, and generates headlines -- but I guess you have a unique definition of relevance. I'd encourage you to listen to his guest interviews -- they are amazing.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#66

As an avid podcast listener and casual Joe Rogan listener I can tell you that I’m probably done listening after the transition. I’m not ever going to use Spotify to listen to podcasts. Podcasts were, and should continue to be, a free RSS feed which made them great. I’m not going to help destroy that great freedom.

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Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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I have no idea if it’s true, but I’ve heard that a major factor was recent pushback he was getting from YouTube with respect to contrarian coverage of the pandemic. Apparently he wanted to have guests who would provide alternative public health narratives and was told that this was a no-go on YouTube. Much of his audience consumes the show as video on YouTube and Spotify is another major brand that will offer a simil…

Tim Pool (news commentator and multi-Rogan guest) called Rogan and apparently this is misinfo. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=izHSJ3OFJ2E

They start out by talking about some of the issues you mentioned. They break mid-way, and apparently Tim got off the phone with Rogan and cleared up that censorship was not the primary motivator. The cut to after the Rogan call is 15:27.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#68

Just a quick sidenote: Joe’s friends have said that people who are throwing around numbers about how much he got from Spotify are estimating way lower than it really is. The $100M is the most common number being thrown around. I can’t tell how much the writer knows Joe’s content, but he would probably have never went with a subscription model. The free access has always been one of the #1 things he attributes to his…

Exactly. I’m pretty sure that people are significantly underestimating the value of his deal. It’s probably on the order of 3 or 4 times higher than the WSJ estimate.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

#69
lol this article casually talks about how he'd have to run the business himself "(not hard though)"

I don't think you realize that when you get to extreme wealth, your time is the most precious thing you have. Having a month more of free time every year is really priceless.

He made a good deal.

Re: Joe Rogan got ripped off

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post #29

I think that one thing this analysis is missing is why F1 drivers go to Ferrari. F1 drivers don't drive for Ferrari because they pay the best. They drive for Ferrari because of the dream. On Youtube Joe Rogan is just some guy. Spotify is offering Joe Rogan more than that. Personally, I think the real point in this analysis is that 90% of people just aren't going to sollow him to spotify. Which is fine for spotify, th…

not only that but I kind of feel like "selling" lets down the new-media movement he's been leading

his success is basically a middle finger to traditional media and corporations - having a very small team, organic growth, and being more authentic and making millions without NEEDING to sell out.

of course I've never had a 9 figure deal so I'm soapboxing here.

but I'd be lying if I didn't say this damages what i really admired about the podcast. idk.

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