All it cost was a total collapse of the western economic system... war is on the horizon.
Mount Everest is visible from Kathmandu for first time in living memory
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Last study I read put a 99% correlation on vitamin d deficiency and getting a severe case of covid19. Which was significantly more than age correlated on the same dataset.
Interesting, however I wonder how they accounted for the fact that most everyone is deficient in vitamin d.
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But nowadays private interests can cross international borders with ease, while governments cannot.
A polluting factory has to exist somewhere. Edit: I am getting a lot of down votes so let me clarify: if external costs are not internalised, humans will ignore it. Internalising the cost does not even need to mean tax. Many clothing brands in my country, even the budget brands (think Walmart), have been pressured by consumers into using more ethical factories. The same could be done by forcing companies to disclose…
It could have been non-polluting, but instead of redesigning, it's easier now to get nations to compete against each other for the location of that plant - and as part of that competition, relax the environmental protections. The "freedom of movement" for corporations (freedom of movement of capital?) has plenty of benefits, but this is one of the negative side effects.
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isn't the 70B of farm animals just a part of the "7.5B humans" problem? Anyway, i think that it is a crying shame that we're still farming animals instead of growing artificial meat. Once we finally have artificial meat and thus stop killing sentient beings, i think that would result in a great leap in our conscience, empathy, etc. - it will unleash a great deal of human mental development with natural results in soc…
Every time I see discussions like this I never see thoughts on what to do with all those animals. What do you do with the 70B animals we're no longer consuming?
>Every time I see discussions like this I never see thoughts on what to do with all those animals.
[until the aliens bring tomorrow the mass production lines of cheap lab meat] Because of naturally gradual process of lab meat quality increase and price decrease there will be no point in time when suddenly "we have 70B animals we're no longer consuming "
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Humans emit different levels of pollution. Your rich cheap-airline flying, consumerist car owner will emit far more than many families in the developing world.
To be fair, mmaunder didn't say which 10% he thinks should be allowed to live. He may be in favour of eliminating the rich cheap-airline flying, consumerist car owners first.
"Because having as many kids as you like seems to be considered a basic human right" The birth rate is falling in the West. Seems thinly veiled to me!
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#146Earlier quoted context omitted.
Humans emit different levels of pollution. Your rich cheap-airline flying, consumerist car owner will emit far more than many families in the developing world.
And neither will even approach within several orders of magnitude of Chinese shipping and factories.
Who supplies the demand for the shipping and manufacture?
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> But imagine Earth with a stable 10% of our current population. I can't imagine maintaining that in anything other than a brutal and arbitrary way. It's very difficult to separate humans from their humanity, and even in countries where birth limits have been tried, we know that it is an ineffective policy and is ultimately cruel. > Clean, abundant, and without the catastrophic extinction event already underway. Just…
Not at all, just increase tax per child per household. 0-2 children at a normal rate, and increasing per extra child.
So if your first pregnancy is triplets you're fucked?
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Are you volunteering to go first?
You don't need genocide to reduce population, just birth rate policies. Most developed nations already have declining native populations (sometimes the overall population grows only through immigration). China had a one-child policy for a while. I think the world would be much better if other countries would restrict the reproduction of humans in a sensible way. Only those who can afford to bring up children with a m…
Laws don't prevent crime.
So, then, are you advocating for forced abortions or forced birth control?
What would the penalties be for reproducing without approval?
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Which means large corporations get to influence policies, even without any lobbying. "Dear senator, what do you mean those environmental protection regulations apply to us? The regulations of the neighbour country $x, that also invited us to build our 10 000 jobs worth plant on their soil, are nowhere near as onerous. We might need to take them up on their offer. Perhaps at least you can cut us a tax break?"
"Well, dear corporation, if you want to sell your products to our citizens, you have to play by our rules. We'll let you know that your direct competitor already agreed to these rules yesterday."
"I'm sorry Senator, you must be confused. Our products meet the health&safety standards prescribed by yours as well as international regulations in this region. You cannot, legally, stop stores from reselling our products, nor you can prevent customers from ordering them on-line. Meanwhile, if you're satisfied with the smaller plant of 2000 jobs of our competitor, we'll happily set up shop at your neighbour's.
It was nice dealing with you. I hope you don't mind if I mention your name at the press conference we'll call soon to announce signing of the deal for our new plant with your neighbour."
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Which ones of your friends and family members should be culled? You get to keep 10%. Usually this argument boils down to "everyone I know and like should still be allowed to live, but we should totally get rid of billions of anonymous (poor) people"
This is pretty bad faith. It is very unlikely that you're responding to Hitler, of course no one is suggesting we murder 90% of the world's population, that is unspeakably evil. But, with magic, imagine we had every technology we have now but with only 10% of the world's population. It _would_ be incredible, you could fly all over the world to your heart's content, your neighbor could buy a big diesel truck, and your…
>Increasing quality of life, access to healthcare, and a strong social safety net...
I would wager that would increase the amount of people having children.