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U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by psychometry »

DevX101 wrote: post #31
programmertote wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain what the Jeff Bezos test mean? I am trying to understand your sentence "The whole escape was likely coordinated by Ghosn's wife who it seems passed the Jeff Bezos test."

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

Pretty sure all you need are high-level State Department contacts, not necessarily "a very particular set of skills", so to speak.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by JshWright »

whyhow wrote: post #35
DevX101 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

Anyone know your typical steps for this process? I guess your first step is to contact your embassy, then look for a local lawyer, then what comes next?

That's the point of the test... There is no one guaranteed path. Each situation will be different in a thousand different ways. It requires someone very "resourceful" to be able to navigate and handle all of the unknowns.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by dntrkv »

redstripe wrote: post #20

Is leaving a country really that hard if you have a little money? Seems like something you should be able to do without the assistance of green berets unless you're in a movie. A country like Japan must have: 1. Dozens of private jets leaving it's airspace daily. 2. Hundreds of fishing boats leaving it territorial waters daily.

I just looked up his escape from Japan and it really does read like a scene out of a movie.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carlos_Ghosn#Flight_from_Japan

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by catalogia »

colejohnson66 wrote: post #23
jcampbell1 wrote: post #17

It will be interesting to follow if they have enough money to fight the extradition in court. The international press loves to make Japanese criminal courts sound like a 12th century madhouse at every opportunity.

I heard the reason for the high conviction rate is because they only pursue cases that they think they have a 100% of winning. Which I think is a really messed up thing. The police exist to serve the public, not to “win” cases. The fact that the public thinks “losing” a case is a bad thing is crazy. While you could argue that “losing” cases means they need to be replaced with someone who’ll get better evidence, this…

Almost as bad as prosecutors winning cases against innocent people is prosecutors losing cases against innocent people. Losing cases against innocent people is a bad thing insofar as the process itself is punishment. If prosecutors avoid cases they think they might lose, they're doubtlessly avoiding the scenario where they lose cases against innocent people, not just the scenario where they lose cases against guilty people.

The question of which should be prioritized doesn't seem so clear cut to me. Surely there's a balance to strike, but where?

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by brandall10 »

pm90 wrote: post #26
JumpCrisscross wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> these are only low-level chumps The operation sounds like it would have been unsuccessful without their help. Given they were arrested boarding a commercial flight in Boston, it seems they felt above reproach. This arrest makes it less likely (though not impossible) such expertise will be able to be procured for such purposes in the future.

> This arrest makes it less likely (though not impossible) such expertise will be able to be procured for such purposes in the future. Eh, it would probably lead to them charging more for such things. How often have such people been arrested? What penalties will them ultimately face? (arrest is one thing, being found guilty and sentenced is another). The people who worry about wealth inequality do so for this reason.…

Right, at a certain price folks can coast out the rest of their lives in luxury... in places that don't have pesky things like extradition treaties to worry about.

In this particular case these folks perhaps a bit too brazen, as extradition to Japan seems likely and they will certainly be imprisoned there.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by C1sc0cat »

DevX101 wrote: post #19

The whole escape was likely coordinated by Ghosn's wife who it seems passed the Jeff Bezos test. Commenting on what he looked for in a wife, Bezos once said in an interview "The number one criterion was that I wanted a woman who could get me out of a Third World prison"

Possibly people are missing the fact that his wife is Lebanese things don't work quite the same there :-)

I used to work for a Lebanese company in London and all the Lebanese directors had very nice cars but the special ones with stepped on engines and body Armor.

They also manged to get a kidnap victim back just like that at the Hight of the civil war I suspect money changed hands but also "we know where you live where your parents live" might have played a part.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by mixedCase »

whyhow wrote: post #35
DevX101 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

Anyone know your typical steps for this process? I guess your first step is to contact your embassy, then look for a local lawyer, then what comes next?

Knowing people who know people and bribing all the way down the chain I guess.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by whyhow »

JshWright wrote: post #42
whyhow wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone know your typical steps for this process? I guess your first step is to contact your embassy, then look for a local lawyer, then what comes next?

That's the point of the test... There is no one guaranteed path. Each situation will be different in a thousand different ways. It requires someone very "resourceful" to be able to navigate and handle all of the unknowns.

Yeah of course, I'm just interested hearing potential paths.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by bravoetch »

whyhow wrote: post #35
DevX101 wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

Anyone know your typical steps for this process? I guess your first step is to contact your embassy, then look for a local lawyer, then what comes next?

If it's a developing country, then bribery.

Re: U.S. arrests former Green Beret, son, in connection with Ghosn escape from Japan

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Post by brian_herman__ »

DevX101 wrote: post #31
programmertote wrote: post #24

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Could you explain what the Jeff Bezos test mean? I am trying to understand your sentence "The whole escape was likely coordinated by Ghosn's wife who it seems passed the Jeff Bezos test."

Here's the original interview [1]. He was trying to explain that he was looking for a wife that was resourceful. But since explaining what he meant by 'resourceful' was difficult he gave the example that his ideal wife should be able to get him out of prison in another country. [1] https://www.wired.com/1999/03/bezos-3/

I wonder if MacKenzie Tuttle passed the test.
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