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Post by einpoklum »

ikeyany wrote: post #167
einpoklum wrote: post #129

I just wish we could read on HN tomorrow: "Introducing Antitrust action against Facebook (justice.gov)"

Elizabeth Warren's campaign focused on tempering the powers of Facebook and other tech giants. However her campaign failed to gain serious traction, for various reasons.

> Elizabeth Warren's campaign focused on tempering the powers of Facebook and other tech giants

While she made that point, I would say that was more rhetoric than serious intent. That's not only because of Ms. Warren's strong party-establishment loyalties, but more significantly because of her stated intent and practice of being financed by large pro-corporate donors (albeit not Facebook) and her disinterest in combating the political influence of the tech giants on the donation-recipient side.

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Post by kumarvvr »

Shopify will be the loser here.

FB will use them, chew and spit them out.

FB only wants shopify now because it has all the data, inventory, categorization, etc.

The next logical move would be to buy a company like wix, then target smb with their sales and marketing team to help them make digital storefronts on FB, integrate with their social platform and then ditch shopify.

Edit : Also, there is no way to tell if your competitor is paying to get your data and costomer info.

This will lead to an overall weakening of the mom and pop store operations, where they are disrupted ever more easily by the competition.

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Post by dalore »

oblio wrote: post #198
phreack wrote: post #184

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I have always thought about what it would take for Whatsapp to lose their place as the dominant chat app and you finally nailed it. If I ever start getting ads or requests for reviews or anything remotely related to someone selling something to me, as a personal message because of automated Facebook tools, I'd get myself and everyone I know off the platform in a matter of seconds. On the other hand, for information r…

> I have always thought about what it would take for Whatsapp to lose their place as the dominant chat app and you finally nailed it. Unfortunately, that's not how these things work. I don't know of any mainstream platform that died because of ads. You have to keep in mind the fact that the average person on this site has a total different attitude to technology and its warts than most other people.

ICQ?

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Post by jchook »

Kiro wrote: post #203
einpoklum wrote: post #133

Earlier quoted context omitted.

One of the frightening things is when you notice that, as society becomes more dystopian (e.g. more totalitarian, more extremely unequal in the division of wealth etc.), there doesn't develop the strong awareness that it _is_ dystopian. It that the sense of what's normal and acceptable degrades. At best you get this weak sense of a general malaise.

So either people are clueless sheep that don't know better or they simply don't care. The first seems pretty patronizing to me and the latter means we are in minority with our definition of dystopia.

Feeling powerless forces us to recalculate our tare weight.

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Post by _2d30 »

Traster wrote: post #216
_2d30 wrote: post #158

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As always, when you’re everyone’s favorite punching bag: damned if you do, damned if you don’t. Would love to know how you got to them taking 90% of the profits. Are they even charging commissions or is this a scheme to drive more ads purchases?

I love it, spend a decade engaging in scummy behaviour, and then have people completely ignore that and claim that you're just a punching bag. Do you know how you become the everyone's favourite punching bag? Stand by and watch whilst people use your platform to commit genocide, and then tell everyone you're looking out for the little guy. Damned if you do enable a genocide, damned if you... oh no, just the first one…

This would be a great rebuttal to someone who said “I like that Facebook helps people kill people” but is a pretty weak rebuttal to someone calling out you making up fee structures for the product and your silly moralizing over a company launching... checks notes... a way for people to sell things on the internet. The horror.

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Post by Kye »

destitude wrote: post #22

I already have enough trouble with businesses that think Facebook is the internet. I wonder how many customers businesses lose by only engaging with Facebook users?

Not many. Most of their customers also think Facebook is the internet.

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Post by CivBase »

mrkramer wrote: post #98

Crucial information from Shopify: "Merchants will get control over customization and merchandising for their storefronts inside Facebook and Instagram, while managing their products, inventory, orders, and fulfillment directly from within Shopify." "Consumers will be able to easily find, browse, and buy products through a purpose-built, immersive experience in these apps they use every day. Checkout will be powered b…

> Facebook wants to capture all discovery through FB and Insta directly competing with Amazon and Google Shopping.

I don't have a Facebook account. As a result, I cannot "discover" anything on the platform. Facebook continues to become a less popular platform and their name continues to loose value thanks to constant involvement in scandals. I may be a minority, but I suspect I'm part of a growing minority.

I can't imagine many shops using this as a primary storefront and I can't imagine this offering much value to small businesses as a supplemental storefront.

Besides, who would be naive enough to trust Facebook with the primary storefront for a serious business? They have no obligation to create a good experience for sellers. All they care about is feeding the ad machine with more user data.

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Post by 72deluxe »

andrewl-hn wrote: post #227
72deluxe wrote: post #220

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I have one of those but I can't seem to block them effectively. I think the advert URLs are not specific to adverts, ie they're the same as normal YouTube videos. Any tips??

On Android there are third-party apps that are not available on Market but are very popular. Most wrap YT's website, add an Adblocker, and block certain APIs that prevent Picture-in-Picture, background playback, etc. The small downside is that these apps can't use play services and thus you can't login to leave likes, comments, etc. Though you can use "Share" to open the same video in browser where you can login norm…

Thanks! Do you have the name of one of these popular YouTube alternative apps? I don't want to download SpyWareYouTube.APK

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Post by 72deluxe »

nicky0 wrote: post #226
72deluxe wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Tangentially, I know they mentioned the "adpocolypse" for YouTube but recently it's insane the amount of adverts being shown. It's really putting me off using it. But as you say, mainstream platforms with no competitors seem to get away with it.

I've been youtube pro subscriber for a while. Zero ads, it's heaven. Really transforms the youtube experience.

Does this also work for YouTube in smart TVs etc.?

Does it permit playing of videos audio-only? I use backing tracks on my Honor Play but it has terrible screen burn so after an hour of instrument practice my screen looks like the comments section (which keeps moving on YouTube)

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Post by Kye »

ibdf wrote: post #56
dzonga wrote: post #16

FB, just came with a bang. with how prevalent fb is internationally. they can capture majority of the market share. sad day, for open solutions like woocommerce. & if FB had managed to get libra, off the ground, then they would be transacting more amounts of currency than anyone in the world. I won't put Shopify in the discussion, as they are only available in select 1st world countries.

Woocommerce fails to deliver a product that doesn't require a developer and or thousands in add-ons. It works for a very basic shop but after that you will need to hire a developer.

It's $45/month from the company behind WordPress for the majority of companies that don't need that level of customization. Past that, it's probably still cheaper than rolling your own solution or doing a panicked migration off Facebook Shops when they start closing the doors.
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