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Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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dang wrote: post #490
lawnchair_larry wrote: post #488

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How is that even remotely inflammatory? It’s the truth.

Those two things are compatible. Why wouldn't they be? If you know some truth that others don't, you have more responsibility, not less, to express it in a way that isn't inflammatory. Otherwise you just end up discrediting the truth, because you give the people who don't know it an excellent reason to resist and reject what you're saying. (I don't mean you personally, of course. We all do it.) Previous comments on t…

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Post by raxxorrax »

Traster wrote: post #671
raxxorrax wrote: post #667

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Of course it is censorship to remove someone because of the content they create. Plain and simple. And no, he isn't the only one by far. He was just the notorious one to sell people the practice of content controls on platforms. Since then many content creators have either been removed or demonetized. Nothing controversial will ever find a home on Youtube as a consequence. You will just get the most benign shit you w…

It's censorship to stop someone saying something, not to stop them saying something on your property. The New York Times isn't censoring me by choosing not to publish my incoherent ramblings on their front page.

It is still censorship if you do it on your property. It is your right to do so, not the point here but still censorship. The NYT is a publisher and we did a lot of work separating the two. Currently there are ambitions to moderate platforms because those have more listeners.

As I said, there are enough creators demonetized because they are just controversial. Advertisers don't like that. So what are you arguing here for exactly?

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Post by jmull3n »

gsich wrote: post #617
dzhiurgis wrote: post #329

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Their web player doesn't even work with desktop Safari...

Use another browser. Probably Apple saying "we don't support "obscure" file formats".

I believe it's due to the DRM protection Spotify use. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Encrypted_M...

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Post by samastur »

cambalache wrote: post #639
samastur wrote: post #624

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This feeling of closeness is not new ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory )

Nice try, but no. I would say it is more an orthogonal thing. Most of the worries of the common folk(left and right leaning) are not shared by the vocal pieces of the progressive movement.

Nice try? Look, mate, I intentionally only provided a reference to show that the idea of commonality between hard-left and hard-right is not a new one without going into the correctness of it or if it is the same as what you feel. My point is that it is not new and not weird. It is not even only an idea, as one can already observe both sides cooperating on some issues in Europe.

Apparently my bland non-committal comment was already provocative enough to get down-voted.

I don't have an inclination to debate it further as both of your comments are peppered with descriptions (salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter, common folk...) that suggest this would unlikely be fruitful.

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Post by CathedralBorrow »

afiori wrote: post #678
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And I appreciate that you are not trying to impute ill intent on me, although you may be underestimating my proximity to the transgender community personally. From my reading of the longer-form quotes – those that I have based my opinion on, I really don't think the context helps Rogan out all that much. "Look, [Fox is] huge! She's not just huge, she's got a fucking man's face. I mean, you can wear all the lipstick y…

I premise that your is a perfectly valid interpretation, he said the things your criticize him for saying. I would disagree with calling this transphobic... On the topic of the statement "trans women are women" for example wikipedia notoriously offer an interesting position Trans woman: A trans woman is a woman who was assigned male at birth. Woman: A woman is a female human being. This is not necessarily contradicto…

> Agree or disagree with that I believe it is (still) important to be able to express that concept without being transphobic

I fully agree with this. But if he is viewed as transphobic then surely that falls flat?

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Post by paulcole »

mythrwy wrote: post #442
chillwaves wrote: post #378

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All these cries of "censorship" misunderstand that what is happening is fundamentally a business decision. When Alex Jones gets pulled from Youtube, it's because he is effecting their business relationships and ability to make money.

Couldn't you make the same argument about gay couples in a small town rural restaurant? But would it be morally right to ban those couples from a restaurant?

You could if it was 1950. Fortunately it’s 2020 and laws exist to protect gay couples.

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Post by roblabla »

throwawaysea wrote: post #508
roblabla wrote: post #353

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Amazon isn't very likely to care what's hosted on their servers, as it's not as likely to be damaging - both in terms of brand and of legal liability. You don't know a website is hosted on Amazon Web Services the same way you know a video is hosted on Youtube.

It is knowable, by IP address.

That's... not the point. When you watch a youtube video, you have the youtube logo staring at your face. No matter how technically illiterate you are, you know you're on youtube. When your website is hosted on amazon, there's no component of the UI saying "Hey, we're on amazon property". Thus Amazon hypothetically hosting an Alex Jones website would be a lot less damaging to their brand than Youtube hosting an Alex Jones video.

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Post by tpxl »

tehwebguy wrote: post #539
tpxl wrote: post #178

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Exclusive deals are monopolies by definition.

That’s not what anyone means by monopoly, every TV show and film starts as exclusive and opens up with “windowing” until distribution is ubiquitous.

Doesn't make it not a monopoly and it's still bad for consumers (on the first order, on the second order allegedly it enables the producers to create more content).

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Post by perilunar »

cambalache wrote: post #589
bitwize wrote: post #564

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And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

Maybe smarter people (Zizek?) have already talked about this, but for me the current global political compass is very weird. I consider myself a hard-leftist and yet somehow I sometimes feel ideologically closer, or at least not so estranged from your salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter than to the current modern western progressives, or what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne sociali…

The one dimensional left-right spectrum is clearly inadequate, as there are many more axes. 2D maps are more useful (e.g. the Pournelle and Nolan Charts) but still a bit simplistic.

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Post by afiori »

CathedralBorrow wrote: post #685
afiori wrote: post #678

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I premise that your is a perfectly valid interpretation, he said the things your criticize him for saying. I would disagree with calling this transphobic... On the topic of the statement "trans women are women" for example wikipedia notoriously offer an interesting position Trans woman: A trans woman is a woman who was assigned male at birth. Woman: A woman is a female human being. This is not necessarily contradicto…

> Agree or disagree with that I believe it is (still) important to be able to express that concept without being transphobic I fully agree with this. But if he is viewed as transphobic then surely that falls flat?

I am not entirely sure what you mean, what I am trying to say is that if someone believe he was transphobic, then it would be enriching of the conversation if they took care not to use the fact that he is making that distinction as an argument for that statement.

Specifically I think it is in the interest of the side challenging the status quo to keep their arguments as precise as possible.

Otherwise conversations become extremely difficult and layered, like a relationship fight that stem from a resentment decades old. There are so many branches and so many directions that even if the core problem might be easy it requires a monumental effort just to get close to it.

Intrinsically examples of where I think this happened would be flamebait topics :)

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