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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by YayamiOmate »

willis936 wrote: post #446
chroma wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystop…

You are so wrong and you dont see it.

You just identified society as corporation and corporation is dictatorship.

He didn't got booted by society and collective ostracism but by a business decision. That's a corporation making decision for the peoole which information the society should be exposed to.

If the society is not resistant to stupid ideas and need to rely on corporations and politicians to police information, that's a malfunctioning society.

Also, ToS are not society rules.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by wooger »

Regardless of what you think of Rogan ,this is horrible news for podcasts and independent internet culture in general.

Podcasts can easily be entirely free of platforms, networks, editorial control and reliance on advertising, and many of them still are. I hope that at some point we can stop calling anything that doesn't have an rss/atom feed pointing to audio files a podcast, as they don't deserve that name.

I've already abandoned one podcast which moved to Spotify exclusive (The last podcast on the left) out of principle.

Re the view of Rogan, I find it fascinating that Joe is viewed as some kind of right wing chauvinistic demagogue because he has a few controversial guests, and states views in line with 99.9% of the worlds population.

Contrast with someone like Louis Theroux, who has repeatedly visited and palled around with all sorts of controversial people, including white supremacists, Joe Exotic & the Westboro baptist church, all while holding onto an entirely neutral reputation.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

willis936 wrote: post #446
chroma wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

You know who else breaks norms? Alex Jones when he peddles lies and threatens lives for profit. He needs to play by society’s rules if he wants to play by society’s rules. You can’t just pick and choose which norms you’re entitled to. That’s called being an asshole and 10 times out of 10 you will be shown the door. There’s a reason no one cried over him getting the boot. It isn’t an indication of some chilling dystop…

Alex Jones shouldn't have been banned. He's a crank, certainly, but ultimately, he's just speaking. And either we believe that people have the right to speak or we don't. I know what side I fall on.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by jackric »

heinrichhartman wrote: post #566

“attacked transgender people, gay men, women, people of color and countless marginalized groups at every opportunity.” What a gross misrepresentation. Have the listened to any of his shows?

> every opportunity

There's your bullshit indicator

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by AlgorithmicTime »

Dobbs wrote: post #605
gadders wrote: post #573

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Count Dankula was a big case as well: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Meechan#Arrest

He was arrested and convicted for literally saying "gas the jews". That is inciting violence, and a very clear case of hate speech.

That's not incitement to violence unless he actually has the means to do it. If you tell a joke in bad taste, it's not incitement.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by cycomanic »

koheripbal wrote: post #571
bitwize wrote: post #564

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And when upstream service providers cut him off, he can start his own one of those. When payment processors close all his accounts, he can start one of those. Remember, kids, censorship refers to the government and only the government. Stray far enough onto the wrong side of history, and society may voluntarily decide you're an asshole and show you the door. And that'll be on you.

I hate Alex Jones, but I have to agree. There's a difference between being kicked out of a restaurant for being an ass, vs being kicked out of EVERY restaurant on Earth for the rest of your life - without due process. These online services aren't small mom/pop shops that you can just replace and patronize another. They are global near-monopolies that you cannot function without. Google isn't just my search provider -…

So where were you when the Isis videos were taken off YouTube and ISIS twitter accounts were deleted? The thing is the outcry always only comes when companies don't want to be associated with some right-wing nutjobs hate speech, while I never hear the same people shouting that ISIS promo videos should not be taken down because of censorship. If all censorship is always bad, why not complain about those cases? Call me sceptical, but to me this sounds very much like, "hey they remove content that I sympathise with, instead of content that I don't like" and almost always aimed at propagating the myth of right-wing victimhood.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by st1ck »

trts wrote: post #273
slg wrote: post #61

I don't listen to his show, but as a general podcast fan this is sad. This isn't the first podcast to move away from having a free and open feed of the show, but it is certainly the biggest and it opens the doors for a lot more exclusivity deals in the future.

my heart sank when I learned Reply All was beginning to offer exclusive (or maybe just early publish) content to Spotify. It was tempered by the fact that the hosts actually addressed this and committed to not being exclusive to their platform. But when I read this news today I knew that the era of podcasts as an open publishing channel via RSS are done. In 5 more years a lot of people will probably have to measure t…

I've stumbled on a bunch of good quality podcasts following freemium model, where they share a part of the content exclusively with their patrons. I'm guessing it earns them more money than ads.

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Post by sokoloff »

busymom0 wrote: post #122

I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

You list 5 reasons to not choose Spotify. Joe has over 100 million reasons to choose Spotify as his platform. I say "good for him".

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Post by cambalache »

samastur wrote: post #624
cambalache wrote: post #589

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Maybe smarter people (Zizek?) have already talked about this, but for me the current global political compass is very weird. I consider myself a hard-leftist and yet somehow I sometimes feel ideologically closer, or at least not so estranged from your salt-of-the-earth Trump/Brexit voter than to the current modern western progressives, or what people in the 60s used to call a somewhat similar group: Champagne sociali…

This feeling of closeness is not new ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Horseshoe_theory )

Nice try, but no. I would say it is more an orthogonal thing. Most of the worries of the common folk(left and right leaning) are not shared by the vocal pieces of the progressive movement.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by afiori »

ALittleLight wrote: post #514
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

Alex Jones was banned from YouTube, Apple, Facebook, Twitter, and Spotify pretty much simultaneously and after years of successful use of each service. You can argue that the conspiracy to remove him from those platforms was a good thing, but I don't think it is reasonable to suggest that each of the platforms coincidentally decided to boot him at the same time. They clearly coordinated to ban him, they didn't coordi…

> They clearly coordinated to ban him

This is not necessarily true, it is perfectly reasonable both that individual employee were simply like minded, or that given the high visibility his character they all acted quickly not to be "accused" of supporting him.

It surely looks like they conspired, and effectively it is as if they conspired to do it, but personally I believe that as a default it should not be accredited to a conspiracy (as in the dictionary meaning of hidden agreement) unless we have some direct evidence.

Especially since the possibility that individual employees were biased and like minded is much more likely and stable.

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