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Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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I don't trust Facebook, but I use it. I don't spend money on Facebook. I don't intend to have a financial relationship with Facebook. There certainly are some benefits of using Facebook for certain purposes.

> I don't intend to have a financial relationship with Facebook. You wish it was that way but you do have one. An increasing number of businesses submit their financial data to Facebook and Facebook uses that data to track your offline activities. Few months ago they made some of this info available to you.

Can you elaborate on this?

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post #62

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It's the logistics network. Being able to just ship your product to an Amazon warehouse and then have them handle the rest on the cheap pretty much guarantees that using Amazon will come out cheaper. Combine that with Amazon handling the bulk of customer support, returns, and payments and you end up making more money on Amazon than anywhere else. I've actually tried to get a company to price match their own store on…

I purchased an item directly from a manufacturer's own website, so there's no middle-man and no fees lost to selling on another platform. The price difference between that and Amazon was so staggering, I returned the original purchase and re-purchased, this time from Amazon. Same product, but it was significantly cheaper on Amazon.

You will almost never get good prices from the manufacturer itself. That would undermine their standing with sales partners. So you will always get the rather high list price.

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I don't need to bother reading dystopian sci-fi anymore, it's all happening around me.

One of the frightening things is when you notice that, as society becomes more dystopian (e.g. more totalitarian, more extremely unequal in the division of wealth etc.), there doesn't develop the strong awareness that it _is_ dystopian. It that the sense of what's normal and acceptable degrades. At best you get this weak sense of a general malaise.

So either people are clueless sheep that don't know better or they simply don't care. The first seems pretty patronizing to me and the latter means we are in minority with our definition of dystopia.

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post #198

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I have always thought about what it would take for Whatsapp to lose their place as the dominant chat app and you finally nailed it. If I ever start getting ads or requests for reviews or anything remotely related to someone selling something to me, as a personal message because of automated Facebook tools, I'd get myself and everyone I know off the platform in a matter of seconds. On the other hand, for information r…

> I have always thought about what it would take for Whatsapp to lose their place as the dominant chat app and you finally nailed it. Unfortunately, that's not how these things work. I don't know of any mainstream platform that died because of ads. You have to keep in mind the fact that the average person on this site has a total different attitude to technology and its warts than most other people.

> I don't know of any mainstream platform that died because of ads.

* Traditional television.

* Online websites of traditional newspapers - they wouldn’t have moved to paywalling if advertising was working.

* MySpace (not directly, but a contributory factor).

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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post #125

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> I bet they're working on a PayPal competitor... They've allowed money transfer through Messenger for sometime now. The UX is probably the best I've had. I prefer sending money that way because it's through the debit card (easy set up), free, and instant.

In Europe at least they've rolled this back from the only 2 countries they tested it in (UK and France). You can still do donations to organizations in most countries, but no p2p money transfers.

Any reason why? Seems to be a strong digital payments ecosystem in the U.K. and Europe that would've made it work well.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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lol FB trying to fuck over 3rd party sellers and Amazon is like go ahead chumps we've been at this for decades. Seriously though who the hell trusts FB. Nobody. They should fold.

>Seriously though who the hell trusts FB. Nobody. 2.6 billion monthly active users beg to differ

I'm one of them. But the graph is going down and engagement is going down faster, hence the frantic acquisition of anything else that gains traction - IG, WA etc.

Tiktok won't sell and their curve is convex so let's see what happens in the next couple years.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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post #189

Small businesses operated either individually or by less than 10 people. A bunch of customers buy products/services from these businesses. So they need a better way to: Engage with their customers Sell and manage product/service deliveries Target specific customer audience Show products/services availability Whatsapp could be the right solution not facebook apps. Also a combination of Yelp and Facebook/Whatsapp could…

I thought I heard about Shopify doing something like this, an aggregator for stores using Shopify, but apparently I misremembered. As someone who works with such a small business the main problem is finding customers who are a good match as you say. But if you fix it for everyone, then you're back to a crowded market and it'll be hard to stand out yet again. Instead of SEO and marketing you will optimise to whatever…

you remember correctly: https://www.businesswire.com/news/home/20200428005278/en/Sho...

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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post #193

It's fascinating to see these tech giants fight each other for control over the Internet empire. Eventually I think we will see 1 by 1 they will fall, and a couple will remain. This is Facebook's attempt to take on Amazon and Google both at once, and given their huge user base and method of engagement, they may just have a shot at it. I can see it now. Scroll Instagram to see photos of your friends wearing new clothe…

They might also implement object detection within photos and match things in the photo to products you could buy... on Facebook...

Google could do this with Chrome... They already have the "right click, search google for things looking like this image".

All they'd need to do is make the UI more discoverable and make the search results include products, and they'd be $1B up on revenue...

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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post #198

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I have always thought about what it would take for Whatsapp to lose their place as the dominant chat app and you finally nailed it. If I ever start getting ads or requests for reviews or anything remotely related to someone selling something to me, as a personal message because of automated Facebook tools, I'd get myself and everyone I know off the platform in a matter of seconds. On the other hand, for information r…

> I have always thought about what it would take for Whatsapp to lose their place as the dominant chat app and you finally nailed it. Unfortunately, that's not how these things work. I don't know of any mainstream platform that died because of ads. You have to keep in mind the fact that the average person on this site has a total different attitude to technology and its warts than most other people.

Tangentially, I know they mentioned the "adpocolypse" for YouTube but recently it's insane the amount of adverts being shown. It's really putting me off using it.

But as you say, mainstream platforms with no competitors seem to get away with it.

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