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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by RaleyField »

UncleMeat wrote: post #416
CyberDildonics wrote: post #392

Earlier quoted context omitted.

He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.

So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.

That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".

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Post by laichzeit0 »

deanCommie wrote: post #421
chroma wrote: post #410

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

Sorry, that's not a great analogy. Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it? I understand that there is one perspective on free speech that says any restriction means that in the future people will abuse it to suppress ANY ideas they disagree with, and I find that this is only true with a very specific type of religious, authoritarian, American, republica…

> The entire western world bans holocaust denial, and it hasn't led to a chilling effect on other expressions.

Debatable. Banning holocaust denial is one of the greatest travesties in Western free speech. You just gave anti-Semites one more reason to believe there’s a global Jewish conspiracy going on and another recruitment tool.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by UncleMeat »

RaleyField wrote: post #451
UncleMeat wrote: post #416

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.

That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".

He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia. He was rightly criticized for saying this.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by lol_u_cuck »

dang wrote: post #357
jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

> It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies. If you broach the topic in this way—jumping straight to an inflammatory statement on one of the most divisive of all topics—you're guaranteeing a flamewar. That's vandalism, nay, trolling. It breaks the site guidelines, damages this place badly, and you've done it more than once before. You also committed to us that you wouldn't to do it again.…

Facts are inflammatory!

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by jasonv »

slg wrote: post #346
creato wrote: post #328

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> I am perfectly willing to admit that my primary motivation here is the acceptance of transgender people. I don't know what to tell you if you don't prioritize that over the sanctity of the outcome of some high school girls soccer game. Here's the problem (aside from deriding something a lot of average people care deeply about): you are forcing these two things to be in conflict, when they simply aren't to most peop…

Banning trans women from competing in sports it telling them they aren't "real" women. The societal repercussions of that are much larger than the outcome of high school athletics (and this issue is almost always about high school athletics and below). I fundamentally don't understand arguments to the contrary. For the record, I care deeply about sports. I think it is fundamental part of both our culture at large and…

I don’t understand equating competing in a sport as representative of being a “real” [gender].

I support trans+ rights, but I haven’t been able to get my head around some of the assertions that seem to be bedrock here.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by NotSammyHagar »

laichzeit0 wrote: post #452
deanCommie wrote: post #421

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Sorry, that's not a great analogy. Are you saying that Alex Jones's views are just ahead of their time and the culture is not ready for it? I understand that there is one perspective on free speech that says any restriction means that in the future people will abuse it to suppress ANY ideas they disagree with, and I find that this is only true with a very specific type of religious, authoritarian, American, republica…

> The entire western world bans holocaust denial, and it hasn't led to a chilling effect on other expressions. Debatable. Banning holocaust denial is one of the greatest travesties in Western free speech. You just gave anti-Semites one more reason to believe there’s a global Jewish conspiracy going on and another recruitment tool.

You'll have to explain why it's such a great travesty because it's not obvious.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by rc_mob »

fewfewf wrote: post #306
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

You're really going to delegate censorship decisions to big tech? What's classes as "misinformation" should be our choice as consumers, not theirs. Example: David Icke may be a conspiracy theorist, but banning him is one step closer from Alex Jones towards a censorship nightmare. The slippery slope is 10ft behind and we're cruising down at 100 mph.

“Big tech”? What are we 5?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by lol_u_cuck »

chroma wrote: post #443
look_lookatme wrote: post #321

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In track and field the 800m race is my favorite race because it's every bit training and determination as it is natural ability. Here are the results of the women's Olympic 800m championship in Rio in 2016: https://www.olympic.org/rio-2016/athletics/800m-women Here are the results of the 2016 Texas UIL 5A high school boys 800m championship in 2016: https://tx.milesplit.com/meets/224994/results/451208/formatt... If th…

In the women's 800m in Rio, the top 3 all had XY chromosomes and lived with high testosterone levels through puberty. - Caster Semenya[1] (1st place). Here is an interview with her.[2] - Francine Niyonsaba[3] (2nd place). Here is an interview with her.[4] - Margaret Wambui[5] (3rd place). Here's an interview with her.[6] I see a lot of people saying things like, "Where are all the world class transgender athletes tha…

Failed to notice? They have been specifically pointing this out for years.

MtF transgendered athletes have been dominating women's sports.

FtM transgendered have not been dominating sports.

Have you been under a rock?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by RaleyField »

UncleMeat wrote: post #453
RaleyField wrote: post #451

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's why should verbally slap him around a bit, preventatively, just in case? Because as you admitted "the context isn't inherently transphobic".

He took a topic that isn't inherently transphobic and added transphobia . He was rightly criticized for saying this.

You are choosing the most uncharitable reading which is not what he meant. How do I know that? Because, despite his meatheaddy appearances, he has consistently shown himself to not be transphobic, I watch his show. What he wanted to say is that her sex was biologically of male and that's why she has in this specific case unduly enormous advantage, to a degree that she is depriving others of fair chance at competing.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by mycall »

chroma wrote: post #410
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

> you are also preventing people from reading what they want to read or hearing what they want to hear. That harm is far greater than whatever happens to the author.

When long-term under-informed people mumble over insane issues on a macro scale, sometimes a barrier should be summoned to simply get their point of view on record. Once you get to see their insanity, you can begin to sanitize back to common sense. imho

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