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Post by grandridge »

Barrin92 wrote: post #59
vsdvvsderer wrote: post #57

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What happens if the conspiracy theorist is someone you agree with? Do we still avoid mainstreaming them?

I wanted to avoid starting a discussion about conspiracy theories which is why I qualified it as personal, but given that you're asking, I categorically reject conspiracy theories because conspiracy logic is by definition paranoid, and I don't believe any of them.

Wow such en enlighted individual. Ironically you don't realize it's your smug self righteousness that allows corrupt people to scream conspiracy theory anytime they are being exposed. I can guarantee some of the things you think are "conspiracy theories" are 100% true.

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Post by im_cynical »

hombre_fatal wrote: post #399
nostromo wrote: post #101

This seems like short-term thinking from Joe. I'm sure he got paid big time. But his audience will shrink massively and he'll become a niche personality. It'll be similar to what happened to Howard Stern when he went to satellite radio; he quickly faded into relative obscurity.

He's not shrinking by moving to one of the most ubiquitous apps in the world. You're just going to see some brief internet rage before people type "rogan" into the Spotify app they already have running all day. That is nothing like XM radio where I've never met someone who said they had it.

I'm a casual watcher of his show (maybe 1 show every few weeks). Spotify has made no investment into their platform to support podcasts. No notification system for new episodes, no already listened to tracking, no subscriptions or an area where i can find all my podcasts.

I like the idea of having my music and podcasts all in one place which working across all my devices (Linux, iOS, Windows) and i gave up on them. Spotify may be ubiquitous but they're not engineered for podcasts.

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Post by hubert1234 »

Shank wrote: post #361
revnode wrote: post #349

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> It's actually not that big of a deal to load an MP4 into a tag, turns out. Kind of a big deal if you can't host that MP4 somewhere? If Google/Twitter/Facebook/etc. don't want your stuff ... chances are Amazon doesn't want to host it either. Even if you stand up your own hardware, you're at the mercy of whatever company is providing you the internet connection. Free speech as a principle isn't about hearing stuff yo…

> Free speech as a principle isn't about hearing stuff you like. It's about hearing stuff you don't like. Free speech is not about the "right to be listened to," it's a very specific concept that means that the government cannot punish you or restrict your ability to make speech. If one person has a wildly unpopular idea, that is simply what it is: unpopular. To quote the first amendment of the United States Constitu…

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Post by mythrwy »

chillwaves wrote: post #379
mythrwy wrote: post #318

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Should a restaurant be able to refuse service to an openly gay couple then in your opinion? What if it offends the other patrons?

There is no law protecting conspiracy theorists.

I'm not sure there is a national law requiring businesses to serve gay customers either. I'm just curious how OP feels about that.

Besides, who decides who is and who isn't a conspiracy theorist. You? A twitter mob? The government? Some people in San Francisco?

The fact that there is apparently such strong disagreement (most of which probably is from people who believe that it is appropriate to use the strong market share of these platforms to mold political discourse) is a bit alarming. No way that ends well.

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Post by eloff »

threeseed wrote: post #430
eloff wrote: post #422

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I've been making this point for a while on hackernews, but never so eloquently. Very well put. Some part of the heterodox ideas of today will invariably be Orthodox in the future. A small fraction of them, mind you, but you impede progress if you enforce the orthodoxy. That's what the church used to do when it had sufficient power. I noticed that one of the videos removed by YouTube is medcram #71. Which discusses, l…

It is still a grey area as to whether Youtube is legally responsible for the content it shows. So given that HCQ kills people in certain situations you can understand why they might be reluctant to allow non-experts to promote its use.

They would have to ban most medical advice and a lot of health advice in that case. Not to mention videos of people doing or talking about risky things. That's a shallow excuse that I don't buy.

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Post by eloff »

eloff wrote: post #422
chroma wrote: post #410

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You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

I've been making this point for a while on hackernews, but never so eloquently. Very well put. Some part of the heterodox ideas of today will invariably be Orthodox in the future. A small fraction of them, mind you, but you impede progress if you enforce the orthodoxy. That's what the church used to do when it had sufficient power. I noticed that one of the videos removed by YouTube is medcram #71. Which discusses, l…

Here's the banned video, make up your own mind if you think censorship of it is justified: https://fast.wistia.net/embed/medias/td0v8taipc

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Post by redis_mlc »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #384
fle3ting wrote: post #136

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Just asking for some (not totally out of context) quotes would mean you are just as worse as him obviously. In reality his "attacked transgender people" probably only refers to his opposition to trans-women competing as women in MMA, which is a perfectly valid opinion to have and is certainly not "attacking transgender people", thats idiotic.

His position on transgender athletes is one thing... his referring to Fallon Fox as a man, saying "that's a fucking man" is disrespectful at the very least... I'd label that transphobic. People seem to forget that he said that.

> People seem to forget that he said that.

No they don't, but they remember the context and add [physically] to it - meaning with a lifetime of testosterone, he developed as a man and should have disclosed that before fighting women.

Since you continue to ignore the context of Joe's analysis, you come across as a crazy SJW. You're not helping anybody by perpetuating falsehoods.

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Post by chroma »

danso wrote: post #417
chroma wrote: post #410

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You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

What original formulations of freedom of speech do you refer to? edit: also, not sure if you lived through the 90s. But none of the examples you gave were off-limits for TV or radio.

John Milton in Areopagitica[1]:

> Bad meats will scarce breed good nourishment in the healthiest concoction; but herein the difference is of bad books, that they to a discreet and judicious Reader serve in many respects to discover, to confute, to forewarn, and to illustrate.

Thomas Paine's introduction to The Age of Reason[2]:

> You will do me the justice to remember, that I have always strenuously supported the Right of every Man to his own opinion, however different that opinion might be to mine. He who denies to another this right, makes a slave of himself to his present opinion, because he precludes himself the right of changing it.

Chapter 2 of Mill's On Liberty[3]:

> But the peculiar evil of silencing the expression of an opinion is, that it is robbing the human race; posterity as well as the existing generation; those who dissent from the opinion, still more than those who hold it. If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth: if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error.

None of these argue from the rights of the speaker or writer. They're focused on the ideas and the reader. They point out that even bad ideas have good uses. These are the arguments that moved us away from a censorious society.

1. https://www.dartmouth.edu/~milton/reading_room/areopagitica/...

2. https://www.ushistory.org/paine/reason/intro.htm

3. https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/On_Liberty/Chapter_2

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Post by hubert1234 »

jachee wrote: post #407
revnode wrote: post #349

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> It's actually not that big of a deal to load an MP4 into a tag, turns out. Kind of a big deal if you can't host that MP4 somewhere? If Google/Twitter/Facebook/etc. don't want your stuff ... chances are Amazon doesn't want to host it either. Even if you stand up your own hardware, you're at the mercy of whatever company is providing you the internet connection. Free speech as a principle isn't about hearing stuff yo…

Quashing hateful, exploitative, conspiracy-theory-for-profit "free speech" is a societal value I can get behind.

good, I absolutely support quashing pro-transgenderism, russia hoaxes and pro-diversity speech which is just a dogwhistle for hating white people. So we should be on the same page, right bud?

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Post by caribousoup »

tinyhouse wrote: post #112

Never understood why his podcast such a hit. I mean, I like the guy, and he's knowledgeable about MMA. But he's not someone I care to listen to on other topics.

It's the unusual guests. Rogan himself is pretty dull, same repetitive talking points about uninteresting things.

The best shows are when he gets someone on and lets them talk for hours about a niche topic. He has a large back catalogue of strange guests, some are legitimately interesting. Skip any guests who are comedians or fighters.

I unsubscribed a few months back, either I outgrew the show or it has declined in quality. I just find him to be annoying most of the time now. But there are a lot of good episodes in the shows history.

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