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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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I mean, in general - yeah. But Alex Jones? I've personally launched a few streaming video platforms for audiences within the same # of listeners as AJ's demo - with far less money than AJ has. It's actually not that big of a deal to load an MP4 into a tag, turns out.

> It's actually not that big of a deal to load an MP4 into a tag, turns out. Kind of a big deal if you can't host that MP4 somewhere? If Google/Twitter/Facebook/etc. don't want your stuff ... chances are Amazon doesn't want to host it either. Even if you stand up your own hardware, you're at the mercy of whatever company is providing you the internet connection. Free speech as a principle isn't about hearing stuff yo…

> Free speech as a principle isn't about hearing stuff you like. It's about hearing stuff you don't like.

Free speech is not about the "right to be listened to," it's a very specific concept that means that the government cannot punish you or restrict your ability to make speech. If one person has a wildly unpopular idea, that is simply what it is: unpopular. To quote the first amendment of the United States Constitution:

> Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.

The true problem in all of this is that the right to "speak freely" is not something that was conceived thinking it would be possible to immediately transmit speech over thousands of miles to millions of people. We have so far enshrined corporations with protection and simultaneously not created any government backed properties for people to share ideas (akin to a digital public square).

If anything is a problem it's that there is no equivalent to a public square because most Internet forums are privately owned places. It would be like if the only land that people didn't own was the sidewalk to city hall.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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> We just don't have any evidence of that. Are you aware that high school boys soccer and hockey teams are competitive with elite, world class women's teams? Do you think the advantages that men appear to have are anywhere near fully erased by transitioning genders? > I don't think this is as big of a problem as people pretend it is. This is not really about the specific issue to anyone on either side. To you, it's a…

>Are you aware that high school boys soccer and hockey teams are competitive with elite, world class women's teams? Do you think the advantages that men appear to have are anywhere near fully erased by transitioning genders? You are exaggerating with that first claim. It is in no way common for high school male athletes to be competitive against world class female athletes. Secondly, the advantage that men have is ce…

I know you don't care about the high school girls soccer game, but the girls do, and their parents do.

And yes, having women's sports not be dominated by former men is a priority for people.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

it wouldn't be "the exact same show" if there wasn't video. there's no way it'd be audio only.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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We just don't have any evidence of that. Like I said in a previous post, we are in the second decade of this being allowed. Where are all the world class transgender athletes that are dominating men on a routine basis? People always point to the same 2 or 3 examples while acting like this is a widespread epidemic of men deciding to switch genders just to win athletic competitions. I don't think this is as big of a pr…

American males are an average of 5½ inches taller [1], which is an extreme advantage in Basketball [2]: > Empirically, the over-representation of extremely tall athletes in basketball lends credence to the theory that the sport provides tall players with a very significant advantage. The average American male is 5 ft 9.3 in (1.76 m).[18] Yet, in a 2007-08 player survey, the average player in the National Basketball A…

Imagine this conversation:

"Hey, remember that 'basketball' game we invented?"

"Yeah, what about it?"

"Well, lots of people are playing it, but some of them are unhappy."

"Oh no! What's wrong?"

"Well, they say they're not winning."

"Hm. Well, by the rules of the game, only one team can win, so... maybe we should split the sport up into different divisions, based on skill? We can use the Elo-like algorithms to determine which teams should play each other so that each team has a good chance to win."

"Well, we don't want to do that- it sounds a bit complicated to implement in practice. And, see, there's another thing."

"What is it?"

"Taller people tend to win more. From the stats, they have a big advantage, and it just makes sense if you think about what playing basketball well requires- being taller really does make you better at the game. A lot of the players who aren't having fun are shorter- they feel like they don't really have a fair shot at winning, just because of their height, which is something they can't really change."

"Ah! So you want to split the players up based on their height. Well, we might have some unwanted second-order effects from that - since we aren't accounting for things like muscle mass or aerobic capacity, anybody who is disadvantaged in those attributes might still not feel like they're getting a fair shot. But if the main effect really is height, then I guess-"

"No, no, no, we don't want to do that, either. We want to do it based on genes."

"Oh! Well, that's a bit tricky- loads of genes might affect height, and even more probably affect how good somebody can be at basketball- but maybe with enough data we can build a model to roughly determine somebody's 'innate' basketball ability, and split players up based on that, instead. Now, we need to be careful, because this won't take into account things besides genetics- say, early childhood environment- that folks could reasonably argue are outside of their control- but I guess it could be a clever solution to the pr-"

"Well, that sounds hard. So we want to do it based on whether somebody has two X chromosomes or only one. It's correlated with height, and height is correlated with innate basketball ability."

"But if you care about height, why not just split players up based on height?"

"Well, there are other factors related to basketball ability, too. Not just height, that's a straw man. And many of them are correlated with how many X chromosomes players have."

"But you brought height up... Well, okay, maybe a weighted combination of different metrics that affect basketball ability? Seems like that might be easier than doing genetic testing on everybody."

"No, we're not going to actually do genetic testing on everybody- honestly, that just sounds invasive and creepy. We're going to look at other attributes that correlate with how many X chromosomes players have, and we can usually guess how many X chromosomes they have that way, without having to test. If a player wants to do genetic testing to prove how many X chromosomes they have, maybe we'll let them do that, too. But mostly, we'll guess based on things like their facial structure, voice pitch, whether they have breasts or not, and their genitals."

"But none of those things directly affect height, much less basketball ability, to any meaningful degree! You're measuring a proxy of a proxy."

"... Well, that's what we're going to do."

If what you care about is basketball ability, try to split the sport up based on that, based on actual wins and losses. If that's too hard in practice, and what you care about is height, then split the sport up based on height. Don't segment based on some second-order proxy measure- that's just sloppy. And, honestly, it makes it a bit hard to believe this is actually some high-minded concern for fairness- it starts to seem like it's being motivated by something else.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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I agree with JRE leaving YouTube over the censorship but I disagree with him moving exclusively to spotify for following reasons: 1. Spotify was the one who conspired with Facebook, Apple and Google to ban Alex Jones and others. So if Joe is moving off of YouTube because he doesn't like the censorship, he's not getting anything better with Spotify. 2. Currently, Spotify doesn't have video (except album cover clips wh…

Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

If it could be guaranteed to be limited to the Alex Joneses of the world, I would wholly agree with this.

However, now that a strong majority of the influential communication that takes place in society is divided across perhaps 5 tech platforms, with 1 tech company controlling the ability to search for other platforms, it's hard to say getting booted off all platforms isn't functionally restricting freedom of speech.

At what point do we concede that allowing a small set of 'private companies' carte blanche over public discourse is a restriction of public freedom?

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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I don't listen to his show, but as a general podcast fan this is sad. This isn't the first podcast to move away from having a free and open feed of the show, but it is certainly the biggest and it opens the doors for a lot more exclusivity deals in the future.

I'm still waiting for the sad day when Gimlet moves it's podcasts to exclusive status. I'm sure it's coming.

I was thinking the exact same thing. I wonder if any of their higher-profile hosts will jump ship if that happens. I'll quit listening out of principle, but also because I feel like I have an alternative in Radiotopia. If Gimlet really were the only ones putting out high-production content, I'd be pretty despondent right now. As it stands, I'm angry, but I feel like I at least have an escape plan.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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It's a lucrative business to be an entertainer masquerading as someone who is educated about 1000s different topics to his fans. He speaks whatever his fans want to hear so that their beliefs will be reinforced and will continue watching. Nothing more...nothing less.

I highly doubt many are convinced he's educated in any way about his topics lol. Some interviews are just entertaining.

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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> It's actually not that big of a deal to load an MP4 into a tag, turns out. Kind of a big deal if you can't host that MP4 somewhere? If Google/Twitter/Facebook/etc. don't want your stuff ... chances are Amazon doesn't want to host it either. Even if you stand up your own hardware, you're at the mercy of whatever company is providing you the internet connection. Free speech as a principle isn't about hearing stuff yo…

> Amazon doesn’t want to host it either. This is total bullshit. Amazon doesn’t give a fuck about what you’re hosting on an S3 bucket as long as it’s not illegal. Also, Amazon is not the only storage provider in the world. Serving your bullshit to the world is definitely not an impediment or limitation. You’re making it sound like all the major corporations in the world colluded to ban fucking Alex Jones. The reality…

https://aws.amazon.com/aup/

They explicitly prohibit content that is "offensive".

"Offensive Content. Content that is defamatory, obscene, abusive, invasive of privacy ..."

Pretty sure he hits a few of those? So "Amazon doesn’t give a fuck" isn't quite right.

Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

If it could be guaranteed to be limited to the Alex Joneses of the world, I would wholly agree with this. However, now that a strong majority of the influential communication that takes place in society is divided across perhaps 5 tech platforms, with 1 tech company controlling the ability to search for other platforms, it's hard to say getting booted off all platforms isn't functionally restricting freedom of speech…

If a regular user can be banned from Youtube for violating their TOS, what makes Alex Jones special and immune from community moderation?

Either a site has the right to moderate its users or it doesn't.

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