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Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by Reedx »

GoofballJones wrote: post #291
Reedx wrote: post #209

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's not an issue if you happen to agree this time. Next time you might not. And then it's too late, you've made your bed.

What does this even mean? Are you suggesting a private company should be forced to host content they don't want to? Should Fox News be forced to host Rachael Maddow and a Huffpost show? Is Fox News "censoring" Huffpost by not hosting a show on their network?

No, none of that. This is different.

Imagine a public town square. Would you want any company acting as the gatekeeper, deciding what speech is allowed or not in that setting?

YouTube, Twitter and a few others are effectively the new town square. I don't think we want to end up in a position where a few corporations are dictating acceptable speech and open debate.

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Post by dwd »

tomcam wrote: post #348
tyre wrote: post #332

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No we're not, calm down. Alex Jones is riling people up on conspiracy theories that actively do harm in order to make money. What happens if a private company removes him from their platform? … he can still post on his website? This isn't some Orwellian nightmare. A lot of people are trying to figure out how to balance absolute freedom with building a better collective human society. It's messy! People are messy! And…

> Alex Jones is riling people up on conspiracy theories that actively do harm in order to make money. This is literally what Rachel Maddow did with the Russia conspiracy nonsense.

I avoid Rachel Maddow for the same reason I don't bother with the majority of Fox presenters. MSNBC is quite liberal and as much as I like Ari Melber, Chris Hayes and Nicole Wallace, they don't always keep their biases in check. Can be amusing* though to watch Wallace lose it over something Trump said.

*I'm Australian, so my interest in US politics is largely entertainment.

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Post by fareesh »

raptortech wrote: post #309
fareesh wrote: post #297

Unfortunate to see in the discussion that Americans are so disturbed by one Alex Jones that there seems to be an eagerness to empower quasi-government entities to a dystopian, Orwellian degree. If I wanted to create more Alex Jones characters, this is one way to guarantee it.

Americans aren't disturbed by Alex Jones. They're disturbed by the number of Americans who actually believe Alex Jones

Jones is no more ridiculous or dangerous than your average holy book though.

Furthermore his vision of the future is coming true by being sympathetic to the idea of an all-powerful tech platform.

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Post by xupybd »

XMPPwocky wrote: post #409
xupybd wrote: post #385

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Perhaps, I think that would be worth investigating. You'll find that most athletes at the top are genetic outliers. There is already some unfairness towards those with low testosterone. However if you allow people that have lived long periods of time with high testosterone to complete against women who have not I suspect you'll find very few of those women ever make it to the top.

Maybe, but why is fairness on this one particular axis the only one I ever hear about? Look at the 100m sprint. Of the top 25 (regardless of gender), as far as I can tell, none of them have two X chromosomes. But none of them are Caucasian, either. Why isn't there a large movement arguing that sprinters should only be allowed to compete against those of the same race? If I (as a white man) took up sprinting (ha!), it…

Perhaps it's the historical significance of womens sports as part of the feminist movement?

I don't really know?

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Post by s1artibartfast »

raptortech wrote: post #309
fareesh wrote: post #297

Unfortunate to see in the discussion that Americans are so disturbed by one Alex Jones that there seems to be an eagerness to empower quasi-government entities to a dystopian, Orwellian degree. If I wanted to create more Alex Jones characters, this is one way to guarantee it.

Americans aren't disturbed by Alex Jones. They're disturbed by the number of Americans who actually believe Alex Jones

I wonder how many that is on any given topic and what our public expectation is.

2% of the population is intellectually disabled (by definition). 7 million Americans fall into this category and will never progress beyond a 3rd grade comprehension.

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Post by UncleMeat »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #392
mattcaldwell wrote: post #381

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He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

He said that in the context of the physicality of someone who was fully grown, recently transitioned and was actually brutalizing women in MMA fights.

So? "you are a fucking man" isn't some dispassionate analysis of how to develop a rule system that works for both trans and cis athletes. Just because the context isn't inherently transphobic doesn't mean that he gets a free pass.

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Post by danso »

chroma wrote: post #410
GoofballJones wrote: post #283

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Alex Jones being kicked off those services isn't the same thing. He was spreading major misinformation and targeted harassment at innocent people that were involved in a tragedy. He wasn't "conspired" against. They just told him to go host his hate somewhere else. And stop with these "censorship" BS. Alex Jones has every right to start his own network if he wants and put anything on it. There's nothing stopping him f…

You are conflating two forms of free speech: The right to freedom of speech enshrined in the constitution and the norm of free speech that we all tend to grant each other. Of course YouTube is a private company and can ban and delete whatever they want. But they are breaking a norm and the consequences of that may be worse than the consequences of letting us watch videos of crazy people. I've said it before and I'll…

What original formulations of freedom of speech do you refer to?

edit: also, not sure if you lived through the 90s. But none of the examples you gave were off-limits for TV or radio.

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Post by xmprt »

CraftThatBlock wrote: post #103
whalesalad wrote: post #77

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Why is this sad? To me it illustrates that there is a lot of value in Spotify as a delivery mechanism and that the existing channels are not working. If anything it should inspire creative new solutions to the issue.

The main problem is Spotify isn't a podcast app. I don't listen to music like I do podcast, and I don't want my queue there because music would mix in, and it can easily reset. Also, most "real" podcast app have better playback options. I want to be able to see chapters, and skip silence, but forcing to use Spotify for an open format is bad for everyone. Podcasts are great because they are open, and give you choices…

I have a Spotify subscription but I still won't listen to podcasts on Spotify. If Spotify hosted the audio and offered an RSS feed this wouldn't be as bad.

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Post by rapsey »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #384
fle3ting wrote: post #136

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Just asking for some (not totally out of context) quotes would mean you are just as worse as him obviously. In reality his "attacked transgender people" probably only refers to his opposition to trans-women competing as women in MMA, which is a perfectly valid opinion to have and is certainly not "attacking transgender people", thats idiotic.

His position on transgender athletes is one thing... his referring to Fallon Fox as a man, saying "that's a fucking man" is disrespectful at the very least... I'd label that transphobic. People seem to forget that he said that.

Yeah because reasonable people draw the line at women getting beaten up.
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