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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by mattcaldwell »

shoulderfake wrote: post #282
slg wrote: post #170

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Regarding point 1, the article has been updated to reflect that Spotify is holding Rogan to their content policy. This content policy prohibits "Hate Content" [1]. By any mainstream definition that would include Alex Jones and potentially other guests. Some people would even say that applies to Rogan himself for his comments about transgender people. Unless Rogan makes changes to his show or his booking, it is only a…

I listen to Rogans podcast all the time , when has he ever made hate comments about transgender people ???? No way I'd have missed him saying something hateful about anyone period, let alone transgenders

He explicitly referred to Fallon Fox, saying "You are a fucking man." Not a very tactful way to speak about a transgender woman. And yes, that's transphobic speech.

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slg wrote: post #346
creato wrote: post #328

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> I am perfectly willing to admit that my primary motivation here is the acceptance of transgender people. I don't know what to tell you if you don't prioritize that over the sanctity of the outcome of some high school girls soccer game. Here's the problem (aside from deriding something a lot of average people care deeply about): you are forcing these two things to be in conflict, when they simply aren't to most peop…

Banning trans women from competing in sports it telling them they aren't "real" women. The societal repercussions of that are much larger than the outcome of high school athletics (and this issue is almost always about high school athletics and below). I fundamentally don't understand arguments to the contrary. For the record, I care deeply about sports. I think it is fundamental part of both our culture at large and…

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Re: Spotify signs ‘The Joe Rogan Experience’ to an exclusive multi-year deal

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Post by mattcaldwell »

CyberDildonics wrote: post #371
slg wrote: post #170

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Regarding point 1, the article has been updated to reflect that Spotify is holding Rogan to their content policy. This content policy prohibits "Hate Content" [1]. By any mainstream definition that would include Alex Jones and potentially other guests. Some people would even say that applies to Rogan himself for his comments about transgender people. Unless Rogan makes changes to his show or his booking, it is only a…

No reasonable person would accuse Joe Rogan of "Hate Content". He disagreed with an actual instance of a recently transitioned transgender woman fighting women in MMA. This is the definition of pragmatic. That person can fight men or not fight. This is not discrimination, it is protecting fighters as much as possible in a brutal and extreme sport.

Disagreeing is fine, even though the science currently seems to support the current regulations. I won't take a side there. However, referring to Fallon Fox as "a man" is transphobic and borderline hate speech. I believe he did apologize for this, but do your research.

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Post by mattcaldwell »

fle3ting wrote: post #136
gganley wrote: post #89

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> at every opportunity This is some The Onion level shit

Just asking for some (not totally out of context) quotes would mean you are just as worse as him obviously. In reality his "attacked transgender people" probably only refers to his opposition to trans-women competing as women in MMA, which is a perfectly valid opinion to have and is certainly not "attacking transgender people", thats idiotic.

His position on transgender athletes is one thing... his referring to Fallon Fox as a man, saying "that's a fucking man" is disrespectful at the very least... I'd label that transphobic. People seem to forget that he said that.

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Post by xupybd »

XMPPwocky wrote: post #372
xupybd wrote: post #344

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Rogan is happy for people born female to complete in male sports just not the other way around. You can't discount how unfair it would be for women to compete against people who have lived for years with high testosterone levels. Maybe we need a new non gendered sports category where athletes are free to take any hormones they wish. That might be fair. But may cost the athletes their health.

> You can't discount how unfair it would be for women to compete against people who have lived for years with high testosterone levels. If a man has had naturally low testosterone all his life, should he be allowed to compete against women? If a woman has had naturally high testosterone all her life, should she only be allowed to compete against men?

Perhaps, I think that would be worth investigating.

You'll find that most athletes at the top are genetic outliers. There is already some unfairness towards those with low testosterone. However if you allow people that have lived long periods of time with high testosterone to complete against women who have not I suspect you'll find very few of those women ever make it to the top.

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Post by rtkwe »

karatestomp wrote: post #215
rtkwe wrote: post #40

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So what in the definition of a podcast precludes it being available on one platform?

RSS pointing to audio files versus a closed platform. Same way a WhatsApp message isn't an email.

That's mixing the medium and the content to me like how Art Deco isn't just architecture it's a style.

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Post by jessaustin »

dang wrote: post #357
jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

> It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies. If you broach the topic in this way—jumping straight to an inflammatory statement on one of the most divisive of all topics—you're guaranteeing a flamewar. That's vandalism, nay, trolling. It breaks the site guidelines, damages this place badly, and you've done it more than once before. You also committed to us that you wouldn't to do it again.…

I apologize. I thought that statement was inoffensive, but clearly I was wrong. I would edit it out if I could. Fortunately it seems not to have ignited the flamewar you anticipated, since none of the 36 replies other than your own have referenced it.

The main complaint seems to be that I didn't portray the full variety of statements that Rogan has made on this issue. I had listened to a recent podcast in which he claimed to make his definitive and comprehensive statement about this, but perhaps I shouldn't have taken his word for it.

I'll have to think about this more than I have.

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Post by CyberDildonics »

mattcaldwell wrote: post #383
CyberDildonics wrote: post #371

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No reasonable person would accuse Joe Rogan of "Hate Content". He disagreed with an actual instance of a recently transitioned transgender woman fighting women in MMA. This is the definition of pragmatic. That person can fight men or not fight. This is not discrimination, it is protecting fighters as much as possible in a brutal and extreme sport.

Disagreeing is fine, even though the science currently seems to support the current regulations. I won't take a side there. However, referring to Fallon Fox as "a man" is transphobic and borderline hate speech. I believe he did apologize for this, but do your research.

I saw it live. I remember it being crystal clear that he was talking about the context of someone's physical attributes when they are fighting. Maybe you should actually listen to someone before you call what they say "transphobic and borderline hate speech".

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Post by [deleted] »

slg wrote: post #246
jessaustin wrote: post #223

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Most people agree with Rogan that transgender women who have only recently started on female hormones should not hide that status from biologically female opponents in mixed martial arts. It isn't feminist for women's bodies to be brutalized by men's bodies.

You are not giving the full extent of his comments on transgender people. He is against women who transitioned as adults from competing against other women. He is also against people taking steps as a child to make transitioning easier as an adult such as taking completely reversible hormone blockers to delay puberty until they are old enough to transition. So he leaves no possible path for a transgender woman to com…

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Post by jtms »

hourislate wrote: post #263
pharke wrote: post #212

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You have to keep in mind that Joe is a comedian first and foremost. Comedians have had the rug pulled out from under them with COVID-19. He's doing what's right for his family at the moment. I fully expect this to come up in one of his next episodes and since he's up front about this stuff it'll probably be summed up as "Sorry you fucks, a man's gotta eat!"

He made over $30 million last year on just his podcast. HE still gets checks every month for News Radio since it syndicated. He has several investments in several businesses. He works for the UFC. He has Netflix specials. Some guess he is pulling in over 100 million a year. I'm sure he and his family are going to be ok. I figure Jamie probably makes 1 million a year...

1 million you say? I dunno... Jamie, pull that up!
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