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Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by edmundsauto »

stephenr wrote: post #74
scarface74 wrote: post #30

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Random non rant: Thank you for being self aware enough to know that you are in the minority when it comes to not having Facebook. Most posts by people who don’t use FB and post to HN feign ignorance and say something like “I haven’t used FB in 10 years. Does anyone still use it?”

Minority of what exactly? As pointed out downthread, a lot more people on earth don’t have FB than do. I’d also wager plenty of people who’ve stopped using it still technically “have” an account but never use it. So how do you define that “the majority” use Facebook?

Facebook has >50% of their TAM, which works for me as a definition. TAM: - over 13 years old with internet access and not in China.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by ivalm »

foobar_ wrote: post #73
ancarda wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

America isn't a totalitarian regime though. Evidence of racism isn't relevant for that definition - it's a label that applies based on government structure.

Totalitarian to who ... that's the question. America is fairly totalitarian to Mexicans, Native Indians to a very huge degree and to black people on a minor degree. In the same vein China is totalitarian to people who are not Han-Chinese. A majority of the Chinese live perfectly reasonable and modern lives.

Totalitarianism is defined as “ a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.”

It has nothing to do with racism or reasonableness of life. US is not totalitarian (despite having many negative qualities). China is totalitarian.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by einpoklum »

TheLastMan wrote: post #112

I don't need to bother reading dystopian sci-fi anymore, it's all happening around me.

One of the frightening things is when you notice that, as society becomes more dystopian (e.g. more totalitarian, more extremely unequal in the division of wealth etc.), there doesn't develop the strong awareness that it _is_ dystopian. It that the sense of what's normal and acceptable degrades. At best you get this weak sense of a general malaise.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by fuzzybeard »

Spivak wrote: post #62
swagonomixxx wrote: post #19

With the rise of services like Shopify, Etsy, etc. why are independent product manufacturers in the US / Europe still using Amazon? Is it the lack of the supply chain / item delivery that Amazon provides so well or is it something else? Hearing about how Amazon undercuts pretty much every seller on their system makes me think that sellers would be willing to jump in a heartbeat if given a viable alternative. Facebook…

It's the logistics network. Being able to just ship your product to an Amazon warehouse and then have them handle the rest on the cheap pretty much guarantees that using Amazon will come out cheaper. Combine that with Amazon handling the bulk of customer support, returns, and payments and you end up making more money on Amazon than anywhere else. I've actually tried to get a company to price match their own store on…

I purchased an item directly from a manufacturer's own website, so there's no middle-man and no fees lost to selling on another platform. The price difference between that and Amazon was so staggering, I returned the original purchase and re-purchased, this time from Amazon. Same product, but it was significantly cheaper on Amazon.

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Post by askafriend »

saadalem wrote: post #117

Small businesses operated either individually or by less than 10 people. A bunch of customers buy products/services from these businesses. So they need a better way to: Engage with their customers Sell and manage product/service deliveries Target specific customer audience Show products/services availability Whatsapp could be the right solution not facebook apps. Also a combination of Yelp and Facebook/Whatsapp could…

Good post. I really think a lot of people here either haven't run a small/medium business or are woefully out of touch with the needs of the people that run these kinds of businesses.

Your post helps ground and frame the discussion appropriately.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by aboringusername »

To me, it seems like these tech giants want the internet to start and end with their platforms. Facebook is becoming (or has become) people's experience of the "internet", it has a lot of what people want.

My concern is there isn't yet a law or enforced guidelines (similar to the GDPR) about machine learning, and what happens when it gets things wrong.

Recently, we've seen with a postcast app and pushbullet being threatened on Google. What happens if an AI or system decides it no longer likes your shop, or factors outside your control cause it to be flagged?

A commenter worried about MLM's, which is a valid point. Will we know the identity of the FB user who made the shop? How does the ownership process works? (I.E who actually "owns" the FB shop on FB and get admin controls).

I refuse to engage with and use FB, it may be that some shops become entirely FB oriented and forget "mycoolshop.com", because FB provides all the tools a business owner needs.

Sad, but slowly we're seeing the death of the internet we all wanted and possibly knew for a time in the early part of the century.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by foobar_ »

ivalm wrote: post #132
foobar_ wrote: post #73

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Totalitarian to who ... that's the question. America is fairly totalitarian to Mexicans, Native Indians to a very huge degree and to black people on a minor degree. In the same vein China is totalitarian to people who are not Han-Chinese. A majority of the Chinese live perfectly reasonable and modern lives.

Totalitarianism is defined as “ a system of government that is centralized and dictatorial and requires complete subservience to the state.” It has nothing to do with racism or reasonableness of life. US is not totalitarian (despite having many negative qualities). China is totalitarian.

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Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by scarface74 »

stephenr wrote: post #130
scarface74 wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://www.worldometers.info/world-population/ First subtract China where it isn't available and you're down to a possible market of 6.35 Billion. But then start subtracting the number of children in the world, the number too poor to spend any money on anything FB would be selling or advertising and random other places where it might be blocked.

That’s a lot of words to say “the majority of Facebook users are using Facebook”. That you just ignore the country with the largest population because Facebook doesn’t operate there is a big tell. Also, why would you assume the kind of products people might sell and thus their pricing? I’ve seen (and bought!) stuff online for ~ 11THB. 35 US cents. You can say a lot of people use Facebook and that’s fine. But if you’r…

No business cares about trying to reach people who don't have money to spend on their products. It's kind of common sense that FB isn't trying to reach 5 years old. Also, it's kind of common sense that Facebook doesn't have many people in China where it's banned. Out of the FAANGM's, the only one that competes with Facebook is Google and they aren't in China either.

But to be even more blunt. FB no more cares about people spending 35 cents online than Apple cares about people who only want to/can buy a phone that cost $100.

Re: Introducing Facebook Shops

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Post by FriendlyNormie »

askafriend wrote: post #135
saadalem wrote: post #117

Small businesses operated either individually or by less than 10 people. A bunch of customers buy products/services from these businesses. So they need a better way to: Engage with their customers Sell and manage product/service deliveries Target specific customer audience Show products/services availability Whatsapp could be the right solution not facebook apps. Also a combination of Yelp and Facebook/Whatsapp could…

Good post. I really think a lot of people here either haven't run a small/medium business or are woefully out of touch with the needs of the people that run these kinds of businesses. Your post helps ground and frame the discussion appropriately.

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