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Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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"But Musk is said to want to start construction extremely soon and aims to have Model Y vehicles coming out of the plant by the end of the year." That is just delusional.

I'd think that, but I have to say that china model 3 factory went from mud to producing cars amazingly quickly. The ended up being what 9 months ahead of schedule?

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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"But Musk is said to want to start construction extremely soon and aims to have Model Y vehicles coming out of the plant by the end of the year." That is just delusional.

I think the rule with Elon Musk is all his estimates are extremely optimistic and you need to multiply them by two or three to get closer to reality. But I'm sure it serves a purpose in giving his employees an aggressive target to aim at. Even if they miss it, at least they probably got there sooner.

Look at the time line for the model 3 factor in China.

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I'm already looking at the competitors to the Model 3 that are coming out in the next few years. I have loved this car, but Musk is toxic and I don't want to be finding him anymore. I know maybe 5 other people with Teslas, and two others have already said they're looking to switch too. Part of the Tesla story was that it could be a California pride thing. When Musk makes the state his enemy, and acts like an idiot, a…

"Part of the Tesla story was that it could be a California pride thing." Lol. Can humans ever drop the tribalism, I wonder? To be fair, Musk is totally playing the same game. I've held out for a long time, denouncing both sides as stupid. But I'm getting tired of seeing everyone else just say fuck it, grab a beer, a bible, a shotgun, and go full blown alt-right. Or say fuck it, grab a cell phone camera, and go full b…

Don't worry, the majority of people are like you. I forget the numbers but something like 10% of twitter accounts are making 99% of tweets; reading things online can skew your view of the world. You will only ever hear from the very vocal minorities because the rest of us just don't care.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Isn't this just Elon Musk getting into one of his superfluous fights, only this time California being the somewhat-random opponent? Musk has been completely unhinged the last few weeks, and it doesn't seem to be wise making such large decisions in anger, especially considering the reason for his anger is, even if justified, unlikely to reoccur. I'm quite the Musk fanboy, but he's always had this very strange anger is…

Elon dabbling in civil liberties activism and countering far-left "rose twitter" with the rose emoji and red pill phrase is not "going full alt-right" -- the political spectrum is more nuanced than that.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Isn't this just Elon Musk getting into one of his superfluous fights, only this time California being the somewhat-random opponent? Musk has been completely unhinged the last few weeks, and it doesn't seem to be wise making such large decisions in anger, especially considering the reason for his anger is, even if justified, unlikely to reoccur. I'm quite the Musk fanboy, but he's always had this very strange anger is…

This might come as a shock to you but most people do not care what the political opinions or behavior of a car manufacturer's CEO are. Likewise the internet does not at all reflect the views of your average person, and I would wager that despite Tesla fanatics being very aware of Musk and his eccentric behavior, most Tesla owners moving forward won't even know or care who the CEO is as they rollout to mass market. Th…

A lot of Tesla's customers came to it because of the politics of buying a car that doesn't use gasoline.

Now that other companies are finally catching up (or at least I hope they do), those same customers will have choices. Tesla has really been the only long-range choice, so of course they are going to dominate. They also make a really good car, that makes their customers happy.

Marketing and branding have huge impacts on a lot of car purchases. If Musk narrows his brand appeal by contributing to the US's partisan divide, that has a lot of potential to dent his consumer base. How many of those expensive trucks out there are ever used for truck things? So many car purchases are about image! (Though obviously not all.)

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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Being that Alameda County (and neighboring Santa Clara County) have the highest number of COVID cases in the Bay Area[1], I would argue that their response was not overblown and likely had numbers to back why they were being aggressive. [1] https://abc7news.com/bay-area-coronavirus-update-california-...

total in a county with 1.66 million people is noise compared to the usual suspects. https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/states/california/califor...

So now your argument is that Alameda County's health measures worked and we should listen to medical experts when it comes to infectious disease management. Seems like you're trying to have it both ways.

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Rest of the companies doing that are in more or less the same boat. Tesla ahead of all of them in bringing some pieces of the autonomy to market.

Other companies have made over-optimistic predictions but not on the same scale and with the same frequency. Tesla is ahead of them on the "bringing to market" part but not on the autonomy part, where they're not really working on the same level of difficulty problems as the ones trying for L4.

Tesla are aiming for full self driving, aren't they? If they have managed to find a simpler problem set that will still allow them to reach that outcome and release incrementally, isn't that a smarter approach?

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

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No. Unrealistic schedules don't help getting anything done. I hope they have real plans for the real work, while the CEO throws out PR bombs.

"First, I believe that this nation should commit itself to achieving the goal, before this decade is out, of landing a man on the moon and returning him safely to the Earth." Seems to have worked

With a cherry picked sample of one, you can prove anything.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

#139

Isn't this just Elon Musk getting into one of his superfluous fights, only this time California being the somewhat-random opponent? Musk has been completely unhinged the last few weeks, and it doesn't seem to be wise making such large decisions in anger, especially considering the reason for his anger is, even if justified, unlikely to reoccur. I'm quite the Musk fanboy, but he's always had this very strange anger is…

> Going full alt-right MAGA is going to cut his customer base in half, at least in the US and Europe. Putting my best effort to be charitable here: he could be opening up a whole new market that is opposed to tree-huggers, fuel efficiency and Priuses. Texas loves trucks, the Cybertruck will be henceforth known as the Freedom Cybertruck and the Texas Edition will come with a complementary "Come and take it" sticker. "…

I think it's helpful to remember that Musk being in the media is the primary plank in Tesla's marketing effort. So being controversial and therefore being in the media is literally a part of his job. Even before covid-19 got serious Tesla had already said they were looking for a factory location "in the midwest possibly Texas". So that's not some reaction to being shut down in California.

Another aspect though is that right now Tesla is building a new factory in Germany and will start very soon a new factory near Austin. Building these simultaneously will be such a severe drain on Tesla's cash flow that they can ill afford having their California factory shut down for long. In this circumstance Musk could well become hot under the collar especially if he feels Tesla has done enough to mitigate risk to Tesla employees.

Re: Tesla plans to build a new car factory in Texas

#140

Isn't this just Elon Musk getting into one of his superfluous fights, only this time California being the somewhat-random opponent? Musk has been completely unhinged the last few weeks, and it doesn't seem to be wise making such large decisions in anger, especially considering the reason for his anger is, even if justified, unlikely to reoccur. I'm quite the Musk fanboy, but he's always had this very strange anger is…

> Going full alt-right MAGA is going to cut his customer base in half, at least in the US and Europe. Putting my best effort to be charitable here: he could be opening up a whole new market that is opposed to tree-huggers, fuel efficiency and Priuses. Texas loves trucks, the Cybertruck will be henceforth known as the Freedom Cybertruck and the Texas Edition will come with a complementary "Come and take it" sticker. "…

Murica!
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