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Your [1] is incorrect. It doesn't even include Baidu, which dominates China and has something like >12% of the world's market share for search engines, so how can Google have 91%?
The source is bullshit. Baidu, the Chinese search engine, has less than 3% market share in Asia? Where Google is banned for over a billion people? Who believes this crap? You might as well have linked to a Facebook comment.
Like half of those billion people aren't even on the internet. According to the same source, Baidu has 65% of the Chinese search market, which seems about right. https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share/all/ch...
Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube
#663Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…
Can't we hate, and express that hate? Why can't I say "I hate Scientology, I hate Scientologists. Brainwashed bandits, they are! Hate them so much!". It seems a lot of things we want to express include hating. Isn't speech a lot about getting things off your chest? Can the frustration build up and explode and be worse that just expressing what you hate?
Yep, being able to voice one's feelings, even if they are negative or erroneous, is crucial to mental health.
It wasn't until Dr. King began exposing/revealing the violent hatred of southern white supremacists to the public consciousness through mass media that things began to change.
"Like a boil that can never be cured as long as it is covered up but must be opened with all its pus-flowing ugliness to the natural medicines of air and light, injustice must likewise be exposed, with all of the tension its exposing creates, to the light of human conscience and the air of national opinion before it can be cured."
-Letter From The Birmingham Jail, 1963
Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube
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Interesting, but there is a pretty clear difference between censorship to protect an individual and censorship of critisising a government.
Are we playing "what censorship is OK censorship" now? Who determines that "pretty clear difference?" Isn't the point of being against censorship is that nothing is above the interests of public scrutiny? Partial censorship seems fundamentally contradictory in terms of the underlying moral justification.
Deleting spam is universally agreed upon as OK censorship. I think it's viewed as OK because everyone can see that many conversation forums can't even work if they're flooded with spam.
And to head off the "no, deleting spam is clearly distinct from censorship," imagine you write a book, so we're dealing purely with ideas.
Obviously, for anyone to read it, you have to promote it. If you post it in too many places or are too "hypey", you'll quickly get banned as spamming. You got censored, there's no way around it.
So we've always been in the "what censorship is OK" realm.
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#665its really sad to see Google kowtow to China. i guess money trump everything. a free, open and democratic China is Taiwan. you can see it by Taiwan's handling of covid 19. they are open about their cases, allowed press to ask unlimited questions and show everything to Taiwanese and not conceal any info. its sad that Western companies love money more than the Western values that they always talk about. "Don't be evil"
Western companies don’t talk about values, Western governments do. The past few decades have seen an aggressive destruction in the power of Western governments to subdue them to Corporate power. The US is a prime example where the Republican party’s only policy platform (not even exaggerating) is “tax cuts are the solution to every problem”. The US government specifically has been declawed and dismembered by the curr…
>Western companies don’t talk about values, Western governments do.
This is completely wrong.
Every other ad on TV in the US is preaching about how much Walmart/Amazon/Pepsi/etc. care about the environment/LGBT rights/safe working conditions/etc.
Western companies talk about their supposed values _all the time_, they're just mostly full of shit when they do.
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I have much less mobility as a US citizen to move to another country than I have as a software engineer. Almost any Google employee could have an offer somewhere else within 3 weeks of starting their search.
You couldn't move to Canada easily?
Compared to most other western countries, sure, Canada is on the easier side.
However, even with that in mind, it is still a very difficult and complicated process, with tons of hard limitations that can put a complete stop to the whole thing due to something trivial, like not having a degree. And even with that barrier of hard requirements cleared, it is still a pretty draconian experience.
Having gone through a similar thing myself (not with Canada, but I ended up coincidentally reading a lot about Canadian immigration laws), I can assure you, it is way more difficult than getting any job, even if you are a successful Google engineer, and by a far margin.
I am pretty sure that any person who went through an immigration process to another country can attest to that. And I am talking purely about the legal-paper-stuff aspect of immigration to another country, not things like getting adapted to your new country or anything like that.
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#667Imagine you posting “nazi bandits” on a WW2 video and seeing it vanish after 15s. We in the IT community need to disassociate with google as much as we possibly can. Free speech is more important than ever.
It's more complex than that. Imagine that you are a US company operating in Germany that provides German citizens with an incredible amount of information that wouldn't otherwise be available. You have thousands of people working in Germany. Occasionally, the Nazis ask you to censor things, If you don't, your entire team is at risk and will all loose their employment and citizens of Germany will loose access to an in…
How do you feel about the German proscription on Nazi symbolism/speech? It's not absolute; for example, Mein Kampf is still published in Germany, but in academic critical editions which provide extensive historical information to place it in context.
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My point was that the Constitution does not handle the current situation - not specifically that the authors thought of it or not.
OK, but why is there so much Constitution/Founding Father worship in America? It's a flawed document that has lead to a flawed nation. It does not have Messiah-like abilities to deal with current problems so why be surprised it doesn't have modern solutions to modern problems.
Because people (on different sides of political divides, at different times) are happy to have any, arbitrary, damping coefficient on the pace of social change.
The ceremony of interpreting the document is all a bit silly, but it's better than letting they majority party write a new one.
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We have loads of communication channel alternatives. People freely choose google and should be allowed to continue freely choosing whatever platform they please. The idea that some governing body can better choose my communication platform for my personal needs than I can for myself doesn't seem logical from my point of view.
Laws are written for the sole purpose of serving our needs. "Free markets" are also a made-up concept designed to serve us. If they are no longer doing that we should change it as we see fit. > The idea that some governing body can better choose my communication platform for my personal needs than I can for myself doesn't seem logical from my point of view. It's an elected body that is chosen by the people in a fair…
>Why would they be incapable of serving their electorate?
I'm not claiming they are incapable, but with a constantly re-elected congress that's on an upward trend and just now hitting 30% approval rating it seems they don't serve their constituents effectively.
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Hyper-nationalism is a backlash to globalism due to the recently realized risks of opaque governments exploiting transparent governments. The intentions were good: Reduce the risk of global nuclear war. The globalism outcome is good for trade and relations with nations that have transparent governments, bad with the opaque.
Was it really bad for US until China started working on 5G and trying to become independent in semiconductor sector? Because until that time globalism was pretty profitable in terms of trade and relations for US.
The complete destruction of domestic labor markets could be considered a "negative"