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Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by tekstar »

subsubzero wrote: post #560
giancarlostoro wrote: post #527

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Honestly about a year ago I decided to switch to an iPhone once the "contract" is up. I have used iOS and I didnt find it anymore special, but it isn't really that much different to me to be bothered by using either one. I will also take that moment to ungooglify my life including email and such.

I did the same a few years back, use duck duck go for search, iphone for phone, apple maps for directions, firefox|safari|brave for browser, it is really easy to get google out of your life, only thing I am still looking to replace is mail, if anyone has found something that is free(or relatively cheap) and is reliable I'd love to know.

What is your alternative to YouTube?

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by SilasX »

subsubzero wrote: post #472
koheripbal wrote: post #112

I think a more fundamental problem is a single private company having a near-monopoly on various public communication channels, and having financial interests in various global dictatorships. The Founding Fathers could not have predicted this. Google's "We're a private company" get-out-jail-free card cannot continue to apply.

Here are some numbers to keep you up at night, they are very scary: Google controls 91.89% of the search market [1] G controls 68% of the browser market [2] G's android is on 84% of phones operating systems [3] G has 73% of the search advertising market [4] [1] https://gs.statcounter.com/search-engine-market-share [2] https://www.statista.com/statistics/544400/market-share-of-i... [3] https://beta.trimread.com/articl…

At risk of nitpicking, why do say "controls" rather than e.g. "services" or "handles"? When you say "controls" it's like you're saying Google has some kind of monopoly power that makes it hard to switch. And yet anyone can easily switch to e.g. DuckDuckGo. If that's a monopoly, it's not quite the kind of a monopoly we should generally be worried about.

Browsers would be a different issue. In that case, there are network effects like about what standards are supported and how, which make it difficult to launch a competing browser, even with technological superiority, and in that case, it would be reasonable to worry about too much market share.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by malka »

rukittenme wrote: post #413
joshuamorton wrote: post #293

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Here's the first result from Googling "hate speech": > public speech that expresses hate or encourages violence towards a person or group based on something such as race, religion, sex, or sexual orientation I might broaden the final bit to "immutable characteristics" instead of the specific list they provide. For the same reason, I probably wouldn't consider the comment under discussion hate speech, but I'm really c…

"Immutable characteristics"? So religion, sex, race, and sexual orientation are fair game then? You must have missed the part where half of our society has declared these things as social constructs . They are mutable by definition and people can and do take advantage of this mutability. (Note: I'm not making an argument for or against mutability of these traits -- only acknowledging the arguments existence). How abo…

Sex is NOT mutable and is NOT a social construct.

Gender is.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by geofft »

ddevault wrote: post #500
geofft wrote: post #490

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I'm not sure how that addresses the points I raised - what was the outcome of that walkout? (Besides some retaliation against organizers.)

Unfortunately little - because the workers didn't stick to it. One walkout writes a headline, but a strike causes change.

A strike causes change when management can't hire enough workers to replace the strikers. My entire point is that they can. You can probably successfully strike against paying Andy Rubin hundreds of millions of dollars for creeping on employees - while there are a handful of folks who want that same life for themselves, there aren't that many. I'm claiming you can't strike over censoring some words on YouTube because there's no shortage of qualified-enough people who don't currently work for Google who would be glad to take your job.

(And you still haven't addressed my point about, suppose they strike successfully and Google decides it won't help the CCP at all and the CCP bans Google and has Tencent step in - what then? Did you save the world?)

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by manigandham »

ardy42 wrote: post #565
manigandham wrote: post #442

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The First Amendment of the US Constitution.

>>> The solution is to realize "hate speech" is mostly subjective and revert back to the clear rules that we had last decade before the current political climate of gratuitous outrage. >> What were those clear rules we apparently abandoned for no reason? > The First Amendment of the US Constitution. Ah yes, the good old days when every newspaper was obligated to publish every letter to the editor and every citizen wa…

First Amendment maintains freedom to express but does not state there's an obligation to be heard.

You are free to ignore people as much as you want. You should not stop them from uttering those words in the first place though.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by dang »

diego898 wrote: post #546
missosoup wrote: post #535

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It seems like my comment was also vanished from the top of the thread? I don't see what guidelines I came even close to breaking. Help me out here? No one's going to see your reply, my comment is detached from the submission. But I do want to understand what's going on here.

For what its worth, I was also shocked to see your entire comment thread, with over 110 children I believe, deleted from the thread without mention. Before this, I thought HN handled deletion with graying out, [flagged] or [dead] etc. I only found it again by checking @dang's profile. I've also emailed HN support strongly objecting to this complete deletion.

I didn't delete it; I downweighted it. You're running into the pagination problem (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=23184485), which is that you've confused the first page of comments with the entire thread. Click More at the bottom and you'll find it perfectly intact, just lower.

We don't delete things outright on HN unless the author asks us to. The most we ever do is 'kill' a post, meaning it's still visible to anyone with 'showdead' set to 'yes' in their profile, and even that's rare. Beyond that, we'd never kill an entire subthread with dozens of replies. We might downweight it or we might auto-collapse it. That's all. By the way, if I had actually deleted that thread, you'd not have been able to find it via my profile. I'm not sure whether to be more hurt by your assuming I'm such an evil censor or such a bad programmer. (It's routine HN moderation to downweight off-topic subthreads, especially when they're at the top of the page, and especially when they're indignant+offtopic: https://hn.algolia.com/?dateRange=all&page=0&prefix=true&que...

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by JungleGymSam »

gabaix wrote: post #63

Youtube is in a tough spot. They will be blamed: - if they don't take down speech some consider hateful - if they take down speech some do not consider hateful 共匪 is seen as an insult by a group, but others do not. If Youtube bans nothing, then hate speech thrives and they get bad PR. If Youtube bans anything anyone flags as hate speech, then they become de facto as censorship agents for foreign powers. Anything crit…

> hate speech

This is not a real thing. It is not based on a standard we can agree to easily or for a long time. The law (in the US) already handled this situation and made certain things illegal. Those laws are good enough.

YouTube only gets bad PR, if it doesn't police "hate speech", among the vocal minority of leftist progressive nitwits that have nothing better to do than complain about nothing. The normal, "everyday person", does not care about such things.

"hate speech" is easily abused because the premise is based on crappy ideas.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by ocdtrekkie »

pathseeker wrote: post #575
ocdtrekkie wrote: post #532

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Sure, but that only works if countries' laws find that acceptable. If China says that you have to delete something from US users if you want to do business in China, they have every legal right to do so: As the sovereign ruler of the land, they decide who does business there, and they can set any requirement they see fit. So Balkanized rulesets might work for some countries but not others. China is well known for exe…

>As the sovereign ruler of the land, they decide who does business there, and they can set any requirement they see fit. At the potential cost of a trade war of course.

Of course. But nobody is going to war over censored YouTube comments or delisted search results, and the Chinese government is happy to push that boundary.

Re: Google deletes “communist bandits” from comments on Youtube

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Post by mimi89999 »

Mizza wrote: post #562
snapetom wrote: post #249

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Just tried it on a video about WHO and Bruce Alyward. It's still up after 6 minutes. Either we're inundating their censor bot, it's been shadowbanned, or Google has stopped under the flak. I'll keep checking later.

Try looking at your comment in an Incognito window and sort by new. You'll still see your own comment if you're logged in, but you won't see it otherwise. I just tried this.

Isn't that shadowbanning?
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