Do businesses have any recourse here? E.g. for the pizza situation - can a business ban DoorDash and its ilk?
Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage
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#12Do businesses have any recourse here? E.g. for the pizza situation - can a business ban DoorDash and its ilk?
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#13I'm curious to hear how restaurant delivery services are meant to make profit; is it really through service fees (or a monthly subscription model), and tips? Cost per meal seems way too high for people to use it often. Maybe it make economical sense for larger party orders, but how often do those kinds of orders happen during considering the COVID situation?
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#14Once upon a time you started something and hoped to figure out how to scale and find product/market fit. These days with the cloud it’s become trivial to scale almost anything that’s not building cars or spaceships.
All these other BS startups have no hope for profit and no end game in sight. It’s kind of pathetic.
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#15But this was far more interesting. The fact that Doordash scrapes prices, and apparently doesn't verify... how does this happen?
I'm not familiar with the reimbursement model. I'm assuming the driver pays with a credit card, and Doordash reimburses this amount. Regardless, there will now be database entries for a customer paying $160 and Doordash reimbursing $240.
What happens in a company that allows $80 to vanish like that? Unless this is an incentive (I'm doubtful this was deliberate). Wouldn't one of the first things you do is validate your financials? In which case, is the driver getting screwed here? (They charge the customer $160, and reimburse the driver for only that amount)
If not, this opens up a huge potential for fraud. There is a semi-popular YouTube video where some young British folks set up a 'restaurant' in their home kitchen and successfully list on a delivery app. They deliver several orders (reimbursing the customer of course). If it's trivial to get listed, and potentially with the wrong prices, then it's trivial to launder money this way.
Set up a fake restaurant, deliver little/nothing to a known party, profit. Now, maybe it would become obvious if you made the same orders or within the same time frame. But again, trivial to generate randomness.
What protection do these companies actually have against fraud? By nature, they're assuming trust, and this is exploitable.
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#17This is so asburd it feels like a story in bad movie. We have pushed finance & capital so far into the realm of fiction that it doesn't really make sense anymore. Artificial growth for the sake of artificial growth, just so you can get to your exit and leave someone else holding the bag. Ponzi schemes at massive scale. How did the startup/VC world become so entangled in all this bullshit capitalism?
My son and i have a tradition when my wife attends a nonprofit board meeting every other month. She leaves and we order some five guys on doordash while we play a PlayStation game. I use a new email every time and usually get free delivery and a coupon. Doordash loses, Five Guys loses, and we get some dude to deliver a burger.
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#19> Note 1: We found out afterward that was all the result of a “demand test” by Doordash. They have a test period where they scrape the restaurant’s website and don’t charge any fees to anyone, so they can ideally go to the restaurant with positive order data to then get the restaurant signed onto the platform.