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Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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Do businesses have any recourse here? E.g. for the pizza situation - can a business ban DoorDash and its ilk?

It's an interesting question. I suspect there's some trademark arguments to be made regarding confusion as to who is providing the product and service and whose failures any mistakes reflect. That kind of attribution, and the product quality it promotes, is one of the central purposes of trademark law. But there's also the first sale doctrine--that after you sell your physical product, people can do with it as they please, including resell. I suspect it comes down to how clear Doordash makes it that the restaurant is not involved in the service, but I'm not an expert in these areas, and this is obviously not legal advice.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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post #2

Do businesses have any recourse here? E.g. for the pizza situation - can a business ban DoorDash and its ilk?

If delivery people are paying with the Doordash debit card (most likely for non-partnered restaurants) you might be able to ban that BIN number (YMMV but it is possible with Stripe Radar + Stripe Terminal), or you could instruct your cashiers to refuse service to doordash drivers based on what card they use. After DoorDash receives enough reports from their drivers/customers it'd probably be delisted.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

#13
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I'm curious to hear how restaurant delivery services are meant to make profit; is it really through service fees (or a monthly subscription model), and tips? Cost per meal seems way too high for people to use it often. Maybe it make economical sense for larger party orders, but how often do those kinds of orders happen during considering the COVID situation?

I assume it is the 30% they take from the restaurant.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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Honestly at times it seems like all these Uber for this or that, DoorDash and whatever other logistical services were created with the premise of just keeping people busy and making them feel like they have a job (one that often costs them money to work at).

Once upon a time you started something and hoped to figure out how to scale and find product/market fit. These days with the cloud it’s become trivial to scale almost anything that’s not building cars or spaceships.

All these other BS startups have no hope for profit and no end game in sight. It’s kind of pathetic.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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Reading the title, I anticipated this was going to be something along the lines of getting Domino's delivered for less than their delivery fee. (Side note, does anyone actually order franchise pizza on an app? They all already deliver for far less)

But this was far more interesting. The fact that Doordash scrapes prices, and apparently doesn't verify... how does this happen?

I'm not familiar with the reimbursement model. I'm assuming the driver pays with a credit card, and Doordash reimburses this amount. Regardless, there will now be database entries for a customer paying $160 and Doordash reimbursing $240.

What happens in a company that allows $80 to vanish like that? Unless this is an incentive (I'm doubtful this was deliberate). Wouldn't one of the first things you do is validate your financials? In which case, is the driver getting screwed here? (They charge the customer $160, and reimburse the driver for only that amount)

If not, this opens up a huge potential for fraud. There is a semi-popular YouTube video where some young British folks set up a 'restaurant' in their home kitchen and successfully list on a delivery app. They deliver several orders (reimbursing the customer of course). If it's trivial to get listed, and potentially with the wrong prices, then it's trivial to launder money this way.

Set up a fake restaurant, deliver little/nothing to a known party, profit. Now, maybe it would become obvious if you made the same orders or within the same time frame. But again, trivial to generate randomness.

What protection do these companies actually have against fraud? By nature, they're assuming trust, and this is exploitable.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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Lose a few 100 million today for a monopoly next year. I make the assumption here that these delivery services are intent on dominating the search results so that independent restaurants are not able to compete. They are forced into using the services, or rather having a large majority of other orders coming from these services.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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post #8

This is so asburd it feels like a story in bad movie. We have pushed finance & capital so far into the realm of fiction that it doesn't really make sense anymore. Artificial growth for the sake of artificial growth, just so you can get to your exit and leave someone else holding the bag. Ponzi schemes at massive scale. How did the startup/VC world become so entangled in all this bullshit capitalism?

Same way they did in the 90s, lots and lots of dumb money.

My son and i have a tradition when my wife attends a nonprofit board meeting every other month. She leaves and we order some five guys on doordash while we play a PlayStation game. I use a new email every time and usually get free delivery and a coupon. Doordash loses, Five Guys loses, and we get some dude to deliver a burger.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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What if you strip out the entire 'aggregation' and customer facing side of DoorDash/GrubHub/UberEats and rebuild them as complete back-end logistics services to the restaurants? You charge lower percentage of orders or just a monthly fee to help procure and pay the labor and route deliveries. Seems like that's the actual challenge for restaurants

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

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Very important note (near the bottom of the post) on why Doordash did what they did:

> Note 1: We found out afterward that was all the result of a “demand test” by Doordash. They have a test period where they scrape the restaurant’s website and don’t charge any fees to anyone, so they can ideally go to the restaurant with positive order data to then get the restaurant signed onto the platform.

Re: Doordash and Pizza Arbitrage

#20
The restaurants need to work through their own trade organization where they band together and push out the delivery businesses that are costing them money, and then allow delivery companies to bid for their business.
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