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Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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In case you weren't aware, controlled trials have shown that vitamin d supplementation protects against respiratory disease [1]. This is evidence that the association you highlight is more than a spurious correlation. It's likely to be causal. [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583

If it's true that Vitamin D is such a large factor in reducing the lethality of respiratory disease -- perhaps it's better to loosen lockdown rules to ensure the wider population can get more sun before they inevitably catch the virus. It may explain why heavily indoors NYC had so many lethal cases, even as most infected were already keeping themselves indoors.

If the extra time out from loosening was all spent out in the sunshine, maybe it might just balance out the increase in cases, but there’s no way that’s what would happen. To make a significant difference requires an extra several hours a day out in sunshine. Better to just advise people to take supplements.

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A friend of mine had cancer and they had him taking D3 immediately. also I was out shopping recently and they seemed to sell many varieties of D3, but I didn't see any other D vitamins offered for sale. Is D deficiency really D3 deficiency? or have the other D vitamins sold out?

> A friend of mine had cancer and they had him taking D3 immediately. The last thing in the world a cancer patient needs is well nourished cancer cells, most grow and reproduce quickly.

There is some evidence that vitamin D deficiency is associated with prostate cancer: https://clincancerres.aacrjournals.org/content/20/9/2289.abs...

There are a number of other studies on this. From what little I've read, if the effect is real,it seems the it is relatively weak, but still worth doing.

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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Here's a link to the paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v... This is interesting data. I want to see Vitamin D status included in a large population study like this because I've been following two smaller studies covering about a thousand cases total that shows Vitamin D deficiency has a risk ratio of 10 to 20 (more even than being age 80+ in the above study). The studies: [1] https://p…

> I want to see Vitamin D status included in a large population study like this Although vitamin D is not mentioned in this study, it does show that black people have a hazard ratio of about 2 compared to whites. In the UK black people would be more vitamin D deficient than white people. Now that I think about it, isn't the potential for vitamin D deficiency the reason there are white people in the first place?

Sickle cell disease is also more common in people of African origin, so that could be another reason for a higher hazard ratio.

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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Two takeaways. [2] is pretty scary. As a 30 year old I know that my chance of death is low, but I’d like to avoid a “severe” or “critical” case. There are a large number of unpleasant states between “fine” and “dead” that I’d like to not experience. A 50/50 chance of it being no big deal are worse odds than I’d prefer. [1] is sending me back out onto the patio this weekend for tanning.

Unless you spend literally hours outside every day, it's not likely to be enough. Get some cod liver oil, drink a tablespoon every day. Does wonders.

I heard British prof Steve Jones on the radio recently say that 15 minutes in the middle of the day was enough at this time of year.

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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Here's a link to the paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v... This is interesting data. I want to see Vitamin D status included in a large population study like this because I've been following two smaller studies covering about a thousand cases total that shows Vitamin D deficiency has a risk ratio of 10 to 20 (more even than being age 80+ in the above study). The studies: [1] https://p…

I'm a little bit hesitant about vitamin deficiency. this sounds like orthomolecular medicine and I wouldn't trust that. I'm especially hesitant if that vitamin is fat-soluble because it can accumulate in your body fat and eventually be poisonous.

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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> The first is causing a run on vitamin D that prevents other people from acquiring if for their proven treatments. Vitamin D is an easily manufactured supplement, it's not medicine that some people absolutely have to take every day. Also, we're heading into summer and the sun is still rising every day. > However the main issue that I think we want to prevent is luring people into a false sense of security that cause…

Hand sanitizer is also easy to manufacture and I haven't seen it in a local store for over 10 weeks. The ease to manufacture is just one of the steps to getting it on the shelves. Also getting vitamin D from the sun isn't an option for some people, especially those with darker skin. The difference between masks and vitamin D is that one is proven to work and one might work. If vitamin D doesn't help as much as people…

What does "proven to work" mean with regard to masks? A lot of the measures put in place are unproven but thought to be reasonable.

Hand washing and social distancing appear to be the most important. That means soap and 6+ feet for at least the next 2 years. That is definitely doable. I don't see masks as a long-term strategy.

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

#157

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In case you weren't aware, controlled trials have shown that vitamin d supplementation protects against respiratory disease [1]. This is evidence that the association you highlight is more than a spurious correlation. It's likely to be causal. [1] https://www.bmj.com/content/356/bmj.i6583

If it's true that Vitamin D is such a large factor in reducing the lethality of respiratory disease -- perhaps it's better to loosen lockdown rules to ensure the wider population can get more sun before they inevitably catch the virus. It may explain why heavily indoors NYC had so many lethal cases, even as most infected were already keeping themselves indoors.

But what about Spain? A Mediterranean country with lots and lots of sunshine.

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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The whole paper is here:

https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v...

Obesity, of course, is a major factor. It's hard to pull apart Type II Diabetes and breathing disorders from it, too, so a realistic assessment of disorders that would be mitigated if the patient lost weight might show it as the absolute major contributor.

Even Vitamin D deficiency is linked to obesity: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3705328/

Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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Here's a link to the paper: https://www.medrxiv.org/content/10.1101/2020.05.06.20092999v... This is interesting data. I want to see Vitamin D status included in a large population study like this because I've been following two smaller studies covering about a thousand cases total that shows Vitamin D deficiency has a risk ratio of 10 to 20 (more even than being age 80+ in the above study). The studies: [1] https://p…

The critical question remains though- is vitamin D the causal factor, or instead an indicator of something else?

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Re: Factors associated with Covid-19 deaths in records of 17M adult NHS patients

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post #154

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Unless you spend literally hours outside every day, it's not likely to be enough. Get some cod liver oil, drink a tablespoon every day. Does wonders.

I heard British prof Steve Jones on the radio recently say that 15 minutes in the middle of the day was enough at this time of year.

Posts like this really need to specify what type of person they are talking about. 15 minutes is very clearly not enough for someone with dark skin.
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