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Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by yencabulator »

navd wrote: post #67
nradov wrote: post #61

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Please stop spreading misinformation about a serious topic. "Currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19.” https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety-during-emergencies/food...

You’re right, but it helps to use some common sense here. Is it possible? Absolutely. We don’t need to test feeding someone fast food sneezed on by an infected cook to find out either...

The relevant question isn't is it possible, it's is it likely.

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by everybodyknows »

m463 wrote: post #54
avar wrote: post #10

It's interesting that the "Environment" section mentions this in passing: > Food comes mainly from packets or tins [...] There is a daily bread bake, and special occasions merit the thawing of a small amount of meat from a -20 C. freezer or from an ice cave in the nearby glacier. Then in the "Discussion" section: > The occurrence of a common cold during isolation, when the chances of introduction of new infection fro…

I watched that video early on about handling your groceries. One part mentioned how long covid could persist on things. - aerosol form - 3 hours - on cardboard - 1 hour - on plastic/metal - 3 days Later in the video they mention heat and cold - heat in microwave - kills it but then... - some coronavirus species can live frozen for up to 2 years https://youtu.be/sjDuwc9KBps

>some coronavirus species can live frozen for up to 2 years

For this reason, my own policy now is to treat any package that went straight from store to fridge/freezer as contaminated.

Everything non-perishable sits near a sunny window for three days before any further handling.

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by knicholes »

jansan wrote: post #60
knicholes wrote: post #58

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Yeah, I hock one up every couple months. I know I shouldn't, but something inside me makes me squish and smell it. It's always as disgusting as I know it will be, yet here we are.

Why shouldn't you? I have been removing them with water (syringe with plastic tip) for quite a while and haven't seen any negative effects. I also feel more confident that I do not have a bad breath.

No, I'm saying I should not squish and smell them because it's always gross.

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by Gibbon1 »

everybodyknows wrote: post #72
m463 wrote: post #54

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I watched that video early on about handling your groceries. One part mentioned how long covid could persist on things. - aerosol form - 3 hours - on cardboard - 1 hour - on plastic/metal - 3 days Later in the video they mention heat and cold - heat in microwave - kills it but then... - some coronavirus species can live frozen for up to 2 years https://youtu.be/sjDuwc9KBps

>some coronavirus species can live frozen for up to 2 years For this reason, my own policy now is to treat any package that went straight from store to fridge/freezer as contaminated. Everything non-perishable sits near a sunny window for three days before any further handling.

I think that's reasonable. Simple viruses like this inactivate quickly at room temp. So the less handling the better. Soap/detergent also kills these types of viruses. You don't need medical grade sterilization.

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Post by blub »

adam wrote: post #62
dessant wrote: post #39

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I have recently watched two of Gupta's videos about grocery shopping and disinfecting groceries, and they were light entertainment, with very little practical value. There can be little difference between the virus reaching your lips by coming in contact with recently handled food or your hands. Restaurant food is absolutely an infection vector, we're just in the phase where we pretend it not to be for economic reaso…

A very well sourced article on SeriousEats begs to differ: https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/03/food-safety-and-coronavi... I'd be interested in the counter sources for your claims as we've been ordering in pretty regularly!

It is well sourced, but the sources are mostly the informed opinions of specialists.

This is exactly the kind of question which must be answered through experimentation. Anything else is wasting time.

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Post by estoniandwarf »

sushid wrote: post #45
lurquer wrote: post #38

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>Drive through windows and me going to the store have been our only exposures. Let me reword this for you: "interacting with a teenager who deals with about a thousand people a day, and going to a facility that is frequented by tens of thousands of people a week, has been my only exposure."

Seriously, how is this not comprehensible to people? If you or your family members are going outside, you HAVE NOT been in isolation. You've been interacting with people outside and bringing in germs from your visits.

People go out once a week and thinking its comparable to living on Antartica, I know lockdown is very different from normal life but yet lol

Re: Outbreak of common colds at Antarctic base after 17 weeks of isolation (1973)

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Post by sushid »

lurquer wrote: post #53
sushid wrote: post #45

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Seriously, how is this not comprehensible to people? If you or your family members are going outside, you HAVE NOT been in isolation. You've been interacting with people outside and bringing in germs from your visits.

As Jeff Goldblum would say, "Life finds a way." I'm avoiding Covid conversations as my self-esteem is too fragile to tolerate downvotes. ;) But, if I were opining on the subject, I'd say that masks, social distancing, lock-downs, etc. are absolutely and utterly worthless and unecessary. But, if it makes some people feel virtuous to wear their placebo masks while cowering in the apartments, so be it. As for me, I'll b…

Is the irony not lost on you? You're not really avoiding a COVID conversation in your comment...

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Post by perl4ever »

RcouF1uZ4gsC wrote: post #66
nradov wrote: post #61

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Please stop spreading misinformation about a serious topic. "Currently there is no evidence of food or food packaging being associated with transmission of COVID-19.” https://www.fda.gov/food/food-safety-during-emergencies/food...

I for one hate this “no evidence” phrase that people are using. Sure, there are no double blind, placebo controlled randomized studies looking at that. Also, because of the respiratory nature of the spread of coronavirus, it would be really hard to tease out someone who got it from food or food packaging. However, Corona virus isn’t the only virus that we no about. We know Hepatitis A can spread in the food. We know…

I get the impression it's a widespread attitude that you can be "scientific" without being honest about what prior probability you assign to anything. And by "honest", I mean that it exists, so you must disclose; you can't evade.

This may be the essence of what raises my hackles every time someone says trust the experts.

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Post by ComputerGuru »

cpncrunch wrote: post #63
ComputerGuru wrote: post #56

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And chickenpox infects the nervous system.

Chickenpox is a herpesvirus too, although very different symptoms to "common cold".

That’s true, but I felt the need to call out the nervous system component of the picture.
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