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Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by magicsmoke »

TheSpiceIsLife wrote: post #85
troughway wrote: post #73

Bringing back manufacturing and other things of industrial nature from China isn't just good strategic planning in a time of uncertainty. It is also a gesture of good faith because supporting a dictatorship that actively imprisons over a million people in concentration camps and uses them for organ harvesting should, at the very least, be punished economically. There is no finding equal ground or compromise with thos…

Do economic sanctions work alter the behaviour of the targetted government? I was of the understanding the effectiveness of economic sanctions are generally debated, and they tend to have unintended consequences.

There's no sure fire way to alter the behavior of a targeted government short of winning a war.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by neetdeth »

kick wrote: post #105
Teknoman117 wrote: post #62

Earlier quoted context omitted.

why is TSMC building a plant in the US an irrational thought?

What's in TSMC's best interest is the long-term independence and stability of Taiwan. Taking away a strong source of motivation for an administration that's already shown itself to lean toward "stay out of other countries; America First!" as its official foreign policy stance to keep it independent and stable is so short-sighted that it's practically insane.

Counterpoint: If the PRC takes over now, they own the process technology NVIDIA and AMD depend on. They can tell the Americans to go pound sand, good luck on your next supercomputer project, and dedicate all production to Chinese origin designs - with a helping of industrial espionage for a kick start. That’s a pretty powerful incentive for aggression that would be reduced if TSMC’s operations were more distributed. So it’s somewhat balanced out.

I think the bigger problem is the assumption that Americans can properly safeguard Taiwanese IP. Anything you send over here you might as well cc: Beijing on the email.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by harpratap »

arcticbull wrote: post #82
troughway wrote: post #73

Bringing back manufacturing and other things of industrial nature from China isn't just good strategic planning in a time of uncertainty. It is also a gesture of good faith because supporting a dictatorship that actively imprisons over a million people in concentration camps and uses them for organ harvesting should, at the very least, be punished economically. There is no finding equal ground or compromise with thos…

This isn't being brought back from China, TSMC is Taiwanese and operates the overwhelming majority of their fabs in Taiwan. They have a fab in Shanghai and Nanjing which I believe is both not their leading-edge process and to supply the mainland market. [1] From what I've heard they have no interest in moving their closely guarded leading-edge processes out of Taiwan, and this is probably a domestic fab for supplying…

Yep. This article from nikkei explains this very well - https://asia.nikkei.com/Business/Company-in-focus/Chip-titan...

It's in the best interest of Taiwan to keep their 2nd highest GDP producing industry inside their own country. If a war breaks out between China and US, TSMC factories in Taiwan are going to be the safest place on Earth. No country wants to loose what TSMC has to offer, including Taiwan itself.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by RandomTisk »

huonpine wrote: post #152
m0zg wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no guarantee there will ever be "3nm and beyond".

Any marketers know what happens once the 1nm name is taken? Dose it go negative, go to decimals, start counting back up or just a new naming convention?

I wouldn't shed any tears for the industry if some lawsuits got filed against misleading claims regarding transistor feature sizes. That probably won't happen because feature size isn't a spec requirement for anyone per se, but it would be nice to see on principle.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by noway421 »

huonpine wrote: post #152
m0zg wrote: post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

There's no guarantee there will ever be "3nm and beyond".

Any marketers know what happens once the 1nm name is taken? Dose it go negative, go to decimals, start counting back up or just a new naming convention?

Go down to picometre. 1000pm, etc.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by vyrotek »

mech422 wrote: post #52
robotnikman wrote: post #24

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Other Fabs are already located in the area, and in general the state has been good towards businesses. Also ASU is nearby so they have a talent pool of new engineers to pull from. Anecdote, since I've moved to AZ myself 5 years ago I've noticed massive growth in tech businesses in Phoenix and the surrounding areas. Cost of living for people here is also cheaper compared to to other cities I've lived in, and many peop…

Mesa Checking In... /wave

Hi neighbor

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by dang »

troughway wrote: post #73

Bringing back manufacturing and other things of industrial nature from China isn't just good strategic planning in a time of uncertainty. It is also a gesture of good faith because supporting a dictatorship that actively imprisons over a million people in concentration camps and uses them for organ harvesting should, at the very least, be punished economically. There is no finding equal ground or compromise with thos…

Apart from your being wrong on the central fact, which other commenters have pointed out, I want to add that taking a thread into nationalistic flamewar this way is not ok on HN, even when you're right about which country is which.

If you wouldn't mind reviewing https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html and sticking to the rules when posting here, we'd be grateful.

Edit: you've unfortunately been breaking the site guidelines by posting unsubstantive comments and/or flamebait, and even personal attacks, in multiple places recently. We ban accounts that do that, so definitely do please stick to the rules from now on.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Post by remarkEon »

arcticbull wrote: post #134
johncolanduoni wrote: post #130

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Someone should really say something to the US military. They’ve been selling top tier military equipment to and coordinating with illegitimate rebels for decades!

> They’ve been selling top tier military equipment to and coordinating with illegitimate rebels for decades! To be fair that's been the US MO for the majority of the last century haha [1] -- who do you think hooked up the Mujahideen? [1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Cyclone

>who do you think hooked up the Mujahideen?

CIA, actually, as noted in the wiki you linked.

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