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TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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Someday I would really love to buy an iPhone that says "designed and built by Apple in California" Stuff like this is just one step closer to that. I would happily pay a premium for it. Excellent news. And to all of you currently looking at your rent in SF and wondering if you should stay there now that you can work remote: AZ is a pretty awesome place, and more and more it's looking like it actually could become a h…

Unless you care about the environment of course. Arizona is an unsustainable amount of air conditioning to fight against deadly temperatures.

It’s also technically one of the easiest places in the US to provide all your energy by yourself with solar.

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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post #127

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The US has lots of advanced fabs already. This isn't the part of the supply chain we're missing. This does nothing to reduce our dependence on China for manufacturing. Edit: and this isn't actually a cutting edge fab. By the time it opens in 2024 the cutting edge process will be 3nm or beyond.

There's no guarantee there will ever be "3nm and beyond".

Any marketers know what happens once the 1nm name is taken? Dose it go negative, go to decimals, start counting back up or just a new naming convention?

Re: TSMC Announces Intention to Build and Operate Advanced Semiconductor Fab in U.S.

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post #64

Actually, this is true. The big question is what's going on behind the scenes. China has been busy building up its own supply chain after the U.S. closed off shipments of any U.S.-based R&D to Huawei last summer. It also has made statements that Taiwan is part of China since then, which has left the U.S. without an advanced-node fab. Intel is at least a node behind both Samsung and TSMC, and the U.S. has no trusted f…

As a bit more context, Huawei recently announced they'll be sending orders for 14nm chips to SMIC's new fab instead of TSMC. 14 nm is about 3 gens behind TSMC's 5nm and was starting to be produced back in 2013.

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post #144

> This facility, which will be built in Arizona, will utilize TSMC’s 5-nanometer technology for semiconductor wafer fabrication Wow Intel can't even get 10 nm working. Big win for Apple and AMD tho.

Isn't Intel's fab always better than TSMC's? Intel 10nm competes with TSMC's 7nm

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post #145

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Respectfully, I think you're reading this wrong. Long-term independence and stability of Taiwan is a political goal, not necessarily a corporate one. The political-corporate relationship in Taiwan is definitely different (or of a different flavor) than that in the USA right now, which makes this harder to parse for specific corporate objectives. In the aggregate, this could signal a willingness of the government in T…

I appreciate the good-natured disagreement! Long-term independence and stability of Taiwan is necessary for TSMC to keep existing. It's in its best interest to keep existing. I'm pretty sure the government doesn't need to approve of this sort of thing; VIA got away with it. Further entangling itself with the US would be keeping itself for the most part in Taiwan. "We have drastically better tech than you, and your mi…

Good point, on the last part. But I think the likelihood of an actual invasion of Taiwan is extraordinarily low. There's terrain and weather reasons for why any land invasion would be telegraphed well ahead of time and would be a complete bloodbath for any invading force. What is quite possible imo is an air bombardment as an attempt to force the Taiwanese government into capitulation. This would obviously precipitate a response from the US, and potentially other countries (not going to mention NATO here because I'm not really sure how useful that designation is in 2020 and beyond). So, maybe the bet is that US air/drone power is still a decade or so ahead of China's such that we'd still be able to repel any PRC attacks. And because of that, this is a gesture that signals a) they think that kind of attack is likely and b) because of (a) want to make sure they're on good terms with the American government and people. The history of US relations with Taiwan is a lot more cloudy than people really grok today, so that's my theory on why they're doing this.

I suppose that doesn't really address your broader point though, which is a good one, that Taiwan does/did have leverage in this relationship with their higher-tech fabs being located within Taiwan exclusively. R&D will still be in Taipei, I imagine. Very quickly this becomes, in my mind, a human capital question.

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> If you know anything about the geopolitics behind this, this was a forced move which TSMC wouldn't have otherwise done. If you know anything about the geopolitics behind this, this was a forced move which TSMC wouldn't have otherwise done. I know. Where in my comment did I say otherwise? > So yeah, educate yourself and then behave reasonably. Okay, thanks? Did you by any chance respond to the wrong comment? Such bi…

It's rampant nationalism all up and down this thread. Facts be damned.

What are the facts? That TSMC willingly and strategically made this move? The writing was on the wall on this one.

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At least one component of the "America First" strategy I can fully get behind is bringing manufacturing back to the US mainline. If anything that last few months has taught us, it's that we must not lose our ability to produce quality, vital products. Semiconductors definitely falls into that category. I don't care how it's accomplished, either carrots (tax incentives) or sticks (tariffs). Do what's necessary to brin…

Did you see that someone was ready to manufacture n95 masks for the us government but they declined? That type of short sitedness is hard to fix.

https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.nonpareilonline.com/news/spe...

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I’m not sure which brands TSMC makes for. But I can promise you if there is an option to buy an USA made AMD, I’d pay a premium for that.

Qualcomm/Broadcomm/Nvidia/AMD use TSMC AMD does make chips in the US via their spun off Global Foundries, and so does Intel. AMD switched some production to TSMC because they had much better defect rates at 7nm. You can buy US made AMD today if you want it just won't be the latest GPU's.

> AMD switched some production to TSMC because they had much better defect rates at 7nm.

GloFo outright canceled their 7nm and smaller processes, back in 2018. All of AMD's leading-edge processors are now using TSMC 7nm, though the server and most desktop processors also incorporate a 12nm IO die. The days of AMD using GloFo are numbered.

Really, though, at this point it's easier to list what leading-edge chips aren't using TSMC: Intel's CPUs and FPGAs. All the other latest-and-greatest CPUs, GPUs, FPGAs and smartphone SoCs are made at TSMC. There's more diversity for memory manufacturing, and logic that doesn't need to be on a leading-edge process (eg. low-end smartphone SoCs, motherboard chipsets, SSD controllers).

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Welcome to USA. Smart Move TSMC and Taiwan. You have earned a friend for life. For the doubters, this is just the beginning of Re-industrilization of America.

> Welcome to USA. Smart Move TSMC and Taiwan. They've operated in the US for a while now. From the press release: "In the United States, TSMC currently operates a fab in Camas, Washington and design centers in both Austin, Texas and San Jose, California. The Arizona facility would be TSMC’s second manufacturing site in the United States." > You have earned a friend for life. What a bizarre comment. If they leave, are…

Their Careers search engine shows zero jobs in all of USA (270 worldwide).
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