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Workers are saying "please don't make us back to work during a once-in-a-century pandemic because it's unsafe and we don't wanna die"
Who and when should decide if it's safe or not?
Fauci
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#52I'm a foreigner so I don't fully understand this, but here's my take: 1) Tesla is restarting the factory against local rules saying they can't, because their competition is in different localities with their local rules saying they can, and Tesla is at a disadvantage. 2) It's basically illegal for the workers to go to work, but Tesla is still insisting they do this? 3) the local council has said they won't do enforce…
"potentially unsafe"
Thanks for putting in the word "potentially" because it recognizes an inescapable reality: the world is unsafe. We have to live in this world. That's just life.
I would however take another step and say some people disagree about opening the factory being more unsafe than other options.
There absolutely will be COVID cases at the factory. But there will also be cases outside the factory.
It's really difficult to say wether opening is safer (because employees are in a pretty safe environment with respect to COVID, relative to their homes or other places they can travel to, and because they have health insurance) or whether it's more dangerous and somehow the factory will be a hot spot of viruses, even though it's a super dry place full of metal and sparks.
Let's just recognize, on your point 4, not everyone agrees that keeping the factory closed is the safer option here.
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#53Earlier quoted context omitted.
Who and when should decide if it's safe or not?
Fauci
43-second video of Dr. Fauci saying people should not wear masks:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bKZAxzT1j0c
Rhetorical question: Why was he saying that?
Don't get me wrong, I am a fan of Dr. Fauci and his guidance has changed over time for a reason. But I am also a fan of looking at all angles of a situation and thinking for yourself, and Fauci is not here to see the situation in Fremont, nor is he entirely a straight shooter in all this since he is bending under pressure from different angles not to be.
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I wonder what kind of lawsuit payoff employees would get if they went to work and caught coronavirus?
They can catch it at home just as easily, so it would be difficult to prove their claim. So I would think it would be a non-starter.
You don’t need to prove you contracted it at work, you just need to prove that being compelled go to work including traveling was the most likely cause and was against the directive of the local government and medical experts which will be very easy to do so.
Civil court has very different burden of proof and if it goes to trial the jury would nearly certainly vote in favor of the plaintiffs.
If they will get sued they will settle and settle fast.
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You've missed that Tesla was already negotiating to open up one week from now. This is a 7-day advancement of a plan that was already likely to happen with complete legal support. We could still debate the moral wisdom of resuming production with significant additional safety procedures. Tesla is communicating that they've managed to do this successfully and safely at a similar factory in Shanghai. There's really thr…
The US debate on the quarantine measures is so polarized it's ridiculous. That's aggravated by the inequities of application in many areas, often rooted in underlying politics. To me, it's ridiculous to (true examples in my city) close the dog parks but allow the skateboard parks to operate... or allow hand to hand delivery of hard liquor while banning haircuts.
Really? Since we probably shouldn’t open everything at once, you can’t see putting the welfare of youth barely impacted by the virus over dogs? Or allowing brief contact over prolonged? Of course government wants those liquor taxes but that doesn’t mean it’s wrong.
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Unemployment benefits in California are not generous. The maximum benefit is $450/week. That is less than the state's minimum wage. Assuming that you received UI for an entire year, that is only $23,400.
Plus 600 a week through July from the federal government...
$2100 per week of unemployment brought in by a couple, combined with almost zero travel/holiday/social costs, starts to sound like a pretty sweet deal though, considering you get to stay at home doing what you want and being creative rather than be in a stuffy factory.
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The thing is, the Alameda County Public Health Department changed their policy now that they received Tesla's plan (that was posted to the company's blog when they announced the lawsuit), and is now allowing Tesla to augment their operation activities beyond the bare minimum, in preparation for a full reopening next week. I guess both parties will claim that they went ahead according to their original plans but someh…
This depends on how much coronavirus ends up spreading among Tesla employees in the next weeks.
It should be similar to Tesla handled in their Shanghai factory, and probably better considering that the Fremont team is in the spotlight now.
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#60Elon Musk is the guy who bets his house at the roulette table. It’s been working out for him so far but one day he’s going to step into some shit his money can’t get him out of and it’s going to be entirely his own fault.
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