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Re: Twitter Will Allow Employees to Work at Home Forever

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Post by christiansakai »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #629
_nckn wrote: post #620

I think this is the hugest news yet. It suddenly opens the pool of candidates to all across the country. I expect other tech giants will follow suit. Those who previously can't afford or don't want to live in big cities like NYC/Seattle/SF because they are older, have families, or various other reasons now are included in the candidate pool. This can go two ways: either the local software business will have to compet…

That assumes they restrict remote work to America for work that was done previously in the states. If this picks up, and there are no legal restrictions on what country a remote employee must be in, then the low end might just go much lower than what it currently is in small cities.

Yes this assumption is remote work to America only.

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Post by bcrosby95 »

TomVDB wrote: post #222
andarleen wrote: post #138

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I will have to shamelessly try and sway you. Get a large house, a swimming pool, a home office room with all the games and gadgets you ever wanted, a nice surround 5.1 system optically connected to a gaming pc, a nice couch to rest now and then and plan your code ahead. See if you still miss your cubicle (nothing wrong with that, but just what i wrote a thought). Thats my lifestyle since i starting working remotely.…

I have everything you list above, and I'm not swayed. I still looking forward to going back to normal. I've never been the social butterfly who sees tons of friends on a regular basis out of work, and yet I enjoy talking to others. Work gives me that, lunch at work gives me that too. Some of my colleagues are razor smart. I can have lunch time discussions about rocketry or special video coding algorithms or War time…

We use our pool 3-4 times per week in the summer.

But we have kids, and it gets hot as hell here, so summer after-work activities usually involves something with water.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #629
_nckn wrote: post #620

I think this is the hugest news yet. It suddenly opens the pool of candidates to all across the country. I expect other tech giants will follow suit. Those who previously can't afford or don't want to live in big cities like NYC/Seattle/SF because they are older, have families, or various other reasons now are included in the candidate pool. This can go two ways: either the local software business will have to compet…

That assumes they restrict remote work to America for work that was done previously in the states. If this picks up, and there are no legal restrictions on what country a remote employee must be in, then the low end might just go much lower than what it currently is in small cities.

Yes, though work gets less efficient +/- 3 time zones or so.

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Post by [deleted] »

dddbbb wrote: post #137

I work at a large tech company on a young team (average age is late twenties). In my experience many don't view working from home regularly as a benefit. I understand that must change drastically when you're middle aged, have a family to live around and a spacious house in the suburbs. But most younger people want to live in the middle of the city (i.e. small, often shared apartments but a short commute) and have no…

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Post by intended »

Traster wrote: post #604
Ididntdothis wrote: post #9

It would be good if more tech companies embraced this. I bet if they need tools for themselves we’ll see a lot of progress in remote collaboration tools. To make this work I wonder how executives will adapt. In my company the higher you go up the chain, the more they want face to face communication. I guess most top executives are people persons so not seeing things like body language or using body language takes awa…

Frankly, I dread the situation where working from home is the norm and suddenly a core part of my job is building remote working relationships that I find easy to build in person.

People are underestimating the issues which need to be overcome with WFH

Infrastructure: Do homes have chargers, desks, screens? If not people will soon get carpal tunnel or lose productivity.

Internet/VPN security costs are real.

Productivity creep : Some of the main issues with WFH have been work hour creep. Managers and other employees feel its easier to make requests for more time given that you are now a few feet from your laptop. Lack of discipline also means that people now work longer.

Rewards and promotions I can't find it right now, but I recall WFH resulting in lower pay relative to people with the same qualifications who went to office.

Mental costs: One of the main issues with WFH has been loneliness. Fixing this requires immense effort to recreate physical proximity.

Creativity is also lost when you cant engage in banter and catching up with people.

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Post by youdonthavekids »

_nckn wrote: post #620

I think this is the hugest news yet. It suddenly opens the pool of candidates to all across the country. I expect other tech giants will follow suit. Those who previously can't afford or don't want to live in big cities like NYC/Seattle/SF because they are older, have families, or various other reasons now are included in the candidate pool. This can go two ways: either the local software business will have to compet…

But what about hanging around the water cooler so I can colab on some random ideas I overheard!!! my whole go to market and product strategy depends on this!!!!

- Some anti-WFH person, probably

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Post by bpicolo »

LanceJones wrote: post #130
2bitencryption wrote: post #114

It's odd how HN does not reflect the reality I see. I'm at a big (Google/Microsoft/Amazon) workplace and WFH has always been a last-resort thing. I can't even imagine my team moving toward this. Every day I do too many things in the office that are face-to-face. Drop by the architect to get an opinion about XYZ, drop by a PM to ask about their functional spec, drop by a coworker to ask about some comments they left o…

I wonder how those other folks feel about their own productivity with teammates always "dropping by". :-)

An architect's job is usually to work with folk and have those opinions, it's the crux of the role.

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Post by kabacha »

I've been lucky enough to work remotely since the inception of my career (10 years now) and I was afraid I might miss the whole office culture if I continue on untill the covid pandemic happened.

Companies showed that it's possible to have great office culture even remotely. My company started food/drinks tasting events, small pockets of communities developed around hobbies like video-games and slack got a complete revamp. It has been a real joy!

Right now I'm not sure I don't see any benefits of working in an office other than:

* Sense of inherit accomplishment: I sat here for 8 hours == I did things. Which is of course kinda silly but remote suffers from accomplishment perception issues since you don't have that office sacrifice that you can always fall back to.

* People are fun, and people are more fun in person! Especially in modern offices with ping-pong tables, bean bags and taco tuesdays.

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Post by peteretep »

seanmcdirmid wrote: post #629
_nckn wrote: post #620

I think this is the hugest news yet. It suddenly opens the pool of candidates to all across the country. I expect other tech giants will follow suit. Those who previously can't afford or don't want to live in big cities like NYC/Seattle/SF because they are older, have families, or various other reasons now are included in the candidate pool. This can go two ways: either the local software business will have to compet…

That assumes they restrict remote work to America for work that was done previously in the states. If this picks up, and there are no legal restrictions on what country a remote employee must be in, then the low end might just go much lower than what it currently is in small cities.

And just to make your point explicit, if everyone moves to local-remote, then the move to hiring cheap and top-notch Bulgarian or Romanian programmers is even easier.
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