Makes sense. I can hardly think of anyone who doesn't use a Unix for servers.
But approximately 100% the people that use Windows in the cloud are going to be using Azure.
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Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
#192Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you feel so boxed into a corner that someone saying maybe, just maybe , you jumped the gun and assumed some things that weren't actually valid and could do with some fresh eyes on the topic is attacking you, then I'm not sure what more I can say that is evidence more than that itself. Hiding behind a blanket of being "for human dignity" is no defense when your actions don't actually help that cause in any way. In…
What do you want, a map? 1) Unfortunately, someone took a conversation about a purchase request as a chance to speak to [me] in a personal capacity. He’s a genuinely nice guy though and [I] like him. Just didn’t know what his role was in [my] workplace, and it wasn’t putting that story in [my] ear at that time, but I suffered through it. 2) Now that [I] live with the story, [I’ve] been waiting for a chance to share i…
It's all in how you interpret it. Let me show you some other interpretations of what you read.
> 1) Unfortunately, someone took a conversation about a purchase request as a chance to speak to [me] in a personal capacity
"I was checking in on different departments, to make sure everyting was running smoothly, but got drawn into a non-work discussion I didn't really expect or have a lot of time for, but that's okay, he's a nice guy."
> 2) Now that I live with the story, I’ve been waiting for a chance to share it so I don’t have to live with it any more.
"Now that someone mentions some software that would possibly have prevented the exact problem the person related to me, I think it's relevant to share.
> 3) Someone finally mentioned crematoria! Yes! Gather around, fellow engineers, to dissect a Therac none of you will ever interact with. By the way, the guy was half burned and fat. Sucks, right?
"And the implicit moral of my story is that these weird and esoteric systems the top level comment mentioned and wished there were open source versions for because they all require windows do have consequences, and do need options."
Or, you could just assume the person was like "ha ha dead people and fire" and assume everyone that asks you why you're upset is trying to curry favor with some weird set of tech moguls or something.
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> If it’s a problem that I care about those things, then, well, we are going to disagree.
Caring is not the problem, caring is laudable. Seeing those things where they don't exist, that's not. I think you're keying off some words in the post and letting that set a state of mind that colored the rest of what you read. To me, that exchange was a moment of "aw, that sucks. I feel bad for everyone involved" on the part of both parties in the conversation. Relating that itself is not bad.
In any case, we've gotten to the point where I actually got to see your reasoning to some minimal degree, and it's about what I thought (a gross misinterpretation to my eyes). I've addressed that here and before, and I'll let you have the last word.
Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
#193Earlier quoted context omitted.
SQL? There are literally millions of production SQL databases out there and custom apps built on top of them - and while MS may have created a Linux port, there's no planet on which the average enterprise is moving to SQL on Linux without VERY good reason (and there currently isn't one that I can see outweighing the risk).
SQL is a language. Perhaps you meant a particular implementation like Microsoft SQL Server?
Thank you for being pedantic. Clearly in an article focused on Microsoft, where I specifically call out Microsoft porting SQL to Linux, I meant the language and not the product. I'll be sure to type out "Microsoft SQL Server 2019™" because who would know what I'm talking about otherwise? Oh right, you and everyone else on HN.
Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
#194Earlier quoted context omitted.
What do you want, a map? 1) Unfortunately, someone took a conversation about a purchase request as a chance to speak to [me] in a personal capacity. He’s a genuinely nice guy though and [I] like him. Just didn’t know what his role was in [my] workplace, and it wasn’t putting that story in [my] ear at that time, but I suffered through it. 2) Now that [I] live with the story, [I’ve] been waiting for a chance to share i…
It's all in how you interpret it. Let me show you some other interpretations of what you read. > 1) Unfortunately, someone took a conversation about a purchase request as a chance to speak to [me] in a personal capacity "I was checking in on different departments, to make sure everyting was running smoothly, but got drawn into a non-work discussion I didn't really expect or have a lot of time for, but that's okay, he…
“You have interpreted incorrectly. Here’s the correct interpretation. I’ve interpreted you incorrectly by assuming your remarks have something to do with tech moguls despite your drawing a map in crayon for me about engineering ethics. I do not intend to address that interpretation because I have announced my exit from this conversation, as normal people do, but your misinterpretation is fair game for me to dissect with a whole lot of defending a pointless forum comment.”
Thanks, kbenson. Insightful stuff. Real self-aware.
I’m a big fan of the people refreshing just to flag everything I say now, regardless of its merit or violation of any guidelines, a conclusion readily apparent by the timing of my comments and their removal now. You folks are doing excellent work keeping this community a safe space to have the type of mindset being assailed here by silencing the contrarian opinions. Some day, the Paul Graham Bunny will leave a prize under your pillow, but first you have to recite one of his essays as part of your evening prayer.
Every flag just proves my point, in a manner of speaking. I’ve touched a nerve. I know it, and you know it. I’m good with that.
Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
#195Earlier quoted context omitted.
And does it actually have well tested, well known, reliable functionality on everything you tend to use? Configuration of programs using easy to edit text files vs some system of ticking checkboxes in a GUI? RegEdit, is there a text version for that? Imo there's no comparison to the Linux ecosystem. Windows is GUI first.
> RegEdit, is there a text version for that? Uhm, in Powershell: PS C:\Users\zb3> cd hklm: PS HKLM:\> (you are now in the registry local machine hive)
It's just that I have a hard time believing that three or four years of development for administrating windows through text is equivalent to 30 years development for administrating Unix through a CLI.
Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
#196Earlier quoted context omitted.
And does it actually have well tested, well known, reliable functionality on everything you tend to use? Configuration of programs using easy to edit text files vs some system of ticking checkboxes in a GUI? RegEdit, is there a text version for that? Imo there's no comparison to the Linux ecosystem. Windows is GUI first.
> RegEdit, is there a text version for that? AFAIK, yes, it's at %WINDIR%\System32\reg.exe
So it exists, but is the usability and functionality nearly equivalent? And the thing is that it also involves third-party software tools.
Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
#197I bought books such as Linux Programming Interface to learn linux so that I can apply for jobs. Later I discovered that when the companies say Linux, they don't mean writing native applications on Linux, but that they are actually talking about java applications on app servers such as JBoss. Does anyone write native applications like thick client native applications on Windows which is also rare these days.
I am very interested in the book you mention, simply out of passion. How do you find it?
You sound very enthusiastic. I hope my response does not negatively impact your enthusiasm.
As soon as I started reading the book, I knew it was way beyond my depth. I was taken by all the news praising Linux and the developers who were changing the world for the better. I too wanted to be part of that story and contribute to FOSS. I was so naive and got deceived by own magical thinking. I got laid off from my first job around that time. I looked for Linux jobs but soon realized that when normal companies put ads for dev jobs on Linux platform, they were mostly for web based java applications running on Jboss or Websphere. I was so dumb that I did not know this simple fact when I bought that book. I lacked mentors and with my social anxiety did not have friends who could advice me. Anyway. After a year at the second job, I got laid off again. One day I came back home and my wife complained about all the fat books I strew around for the umpteenth time. That was the last straw that broke my resolve. In a fit of rage and depression I threw all my books in the dumpster. I should have focused more on Java but I was too dump to realize that C and C++ native applications were on the wane (I used to be a windows developer) and Java based web applications were on the rise. Now I work as a production app support engineer where my coding skills don't count for much. If there is an issue, I have to call different teams like network, dev team and get the issue fixed. I weep sometimes at how my career has turned out. I realized I can't code anymore. When I sit to write code I am overcome by anxiety and can't complete the task for weeks. I am middle aged now in my mid forties.
Don't let my experience dampen your spirit. Go on and change the world.
Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores
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#200Worked on XenServer for Citrix (XenSource) for a couple of years (fun ride), I was told / also discovered that most XenServer pools were used to run Windows infra to support XenDesktop / ICA based remote access;-)
Now Linux has won over 50% of server market share in MicroSoft Azure, where I believe Hyper-V running on Windows is the hypervisor (Hyper-V is closely related to Xen).
- Linux has won (in the cloud).
- No one has ever thought one can use Linux desktop on windows via WSL one day.
- The best tool (distro, etc.)is the one that does what you need at the best cost ;-)
As a long term Linux desktop user (since Fedora Core 1 Yarrow), MicroSoft used to be the public enemy of open source, used to disgust me, now (after vs code, WSL, GitHub, showed genuine love to Linux and the community, etc.) I turn neutral (AFAIR - unless that was a daydream, Linus said similar thing).