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Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by jen20 »

code_duck wrote: post #48
tombert wrote: post #21

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You know, I was thinking this, but honestly how much overhead is the Windows GUI when no one is logged into it? I know it's not nothing, but I suspect it's not that much, is it?

I don't mean as far as idle resource usage. The advantage of Linux is when you want to accomplish tasks without a great internet connection, but the windows tools are not evolved enough as far as command line functionality.

This was once the case, but PowerShell has been a solid administration tool for quite some time now. OpenSSH Server also ships as part of Windows, which was the missing link (since WinRM is, charitably, awful). The remote administration experience of Windows is now certainly comparable to Linux, in my opinion.

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by useerup »

code_duck wrote: post #89
tonyedgecombe wrote: post #77

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Not only that but pretty much everything on Windows Server is exposed to PowerShell and has been for some time.

And does it actually have well tested, well known, reliable functionality on everything you tend to use? Configuration of programs using easy to edit text files vs some system of ticking checkboxes in a GUI? RegEdit, is there a text version for that? Imo there's no comparison to the Linux ecosystem. Windows is GUI first.

> RegEdit, is there a text version for that?

Uhm, in Powershell:

    PS C:\Users\zb3> cd hklm:
    PS HKLM:\>
(you are now in the registry local machine hive)

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by tombert »

ThrowawayR2 wrote: post #97
bitcharmer wrote: post #65

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I'd still take a heavily configurable and customizable "mess", as you put it, than the one that doesn't allow me to control how it works. There's a good reason why Linux absolutely dominates the server space.

> " There's a good reason why Linux absolutely dominates the server space. " Yeah, it was cheaper (in both senses of the word) than all the other contenders and more or less Unixy enough that software could easily be ported over.

Well, not to mention that you're allowed to add features to it without waiting for Microsoft to do it. Linux might not be the best codebase in the world, but it's probably easier to add a feature to Linux than it is to get MS to add a new feature.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but wasn't Linux quicker to support multithreading than Windows, largely because big megacorps needed that for their servers?

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by exdsq »

jamieweb wrote: post #23

I'm interested to know what the majority of the Windows machines are used for. I can't think it'd be anything other than 'big enterprise' applications, where there seems to be a lot of bespoke stuff built specifically for Windows Server (e.g. finance software, healthcare systems, marriage registration, taxi licensing, nursing home management, etc). Unfortunately this sort of stuff is fairly rare to be available in th…

I’d recommend checking out .NET Core and F# or C# 8. Honestly .NET is becoming my go-to for anything beyond what a bash script can offer because it’s typed, functional or OO, has great frameworks for basic MVC sites or desktop apps, and the IDE on Windows is amazing while being able to compile cross-platform.

It’s not just for enterprises!

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by adwww »

scarface74 wrote: post #117
adwww wrote: post #85

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I went for a while of bumping into lots of job opportuntities using the Microsoft stack, and thought perhaps it would be good for my career to learn a bit. But the barrier to entry seemed so high at the time - you needed MSDN subscriptions, paid IDEs, and paid servers. All out of my reach as a self taught junior developer. I don't know how or where everyone learnt it all, except as graduate developers at BigCorp?

You don't have to pay for anything to learn the Microsoft stack. - Visual Studio Community Edition is full featured and free - SQL Server Express is free - You really don't need IIS but it is free. With C# you can run on top of Kestral.

Sure, now, but when I was starting out a decade ago, everything seemed to be quite big money.

Even reading the docs seemed to need a login and paid subscription.

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by kryogen1c »

contextfree wrote: post #122
chasil wrote: post #116

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Most of what you are talking about was implemented in DCE, and there were ports to Linux but it never became popular. Microsoft certainly lifted a fair amount of this code. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Computing_Environm... Interestingly, SMB is about to switch to Google's QUIC UDP, which is a great improvement.

I think the GP meant SMB = "small and medium-sized business" rather than SMB = Server Message Block (the Windows file-sharing protocol)

woops! i surely did, thanks! edited.

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by scarface74 »

kylemuir wrote: post #129
scarface74 wrote: post #117

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You don't have to pay for anything to learn the Microsoft stack. - Visual Studio Community Edition is full featured and free - SQL Server Express is free - You really don't need IIS but it is free. With C# you can run on top of Kestral.

This is true now but it wasn't when I started doing dot net development ~10 years ago. If it wasn't for my employer covering the costs I wouldn't have been able to do it. There were free editions but they were crippled versions of the paid ones with no extensions, etc. The free versions were generally unloved and had annoying quirks. At the time you needed to add a Resharper license in there too to be decently produc…

Fair point. I’ve been developing commercially with Visual Studio since 2000. I never had to try to learn it on my own.

It wasn’t until 2014 when MS started releasing the non crippled version.

But consider yourself lucky. Do you know how hard it was for middle schooler to get a good 65C02 assembler in the 80s like I had to?

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by wiml »

close04 wrote: post #4
babarock wrote: post #2

Between this and their Azure Sphere product, Microsoft may very well be the largest Linux vendor today. As someone who discovered Unix in the early 00s, this makes me chuckle. What a world!

Between Azure and WSL Microsoft might be shipping more Linux kernels than any other company out there.

I think you might underestimate how many Linux kernels+userlands show up embedded in non-"computer" devices!

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by krona »

aea12 wrote: post #150
krona wrote: post #144

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For your own sake, make sure to never read anything by Solzhenitsyn.

Why, did The Gulag Archipelago grow a chapter about Microsoft Azure since the last time I read it? Or is it easier to take someone you disagree with down a peg by drawing attention to and making light of perceived sensitivity issues?

It's more my concern for your state of mind.

Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by aea12 »

krona wrote: post #159
aea12 wrote: post #150

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why, did The Gulag Archipelago grow a chapter about Microsoft Azure since the last time I read it? Or is it easier to take someone you disagree with down a peg by drawing attention to and making light of perceived sensitivity issues?

It's more my concern for your state of mind.

Concern trolling doesn’t suit you, particularly when you didn’t get the memo to avoid the word “concern” entirely when employing it. Try a different tack, please.
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