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Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Re: Linux is Most Used OS in Microsoft Azure – over 50 percent of VM cores

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Post by mixmastamyk »

GordonS wrote: post #31
tombert wrote: post #11

This is hardly surprising. Not to crap on MS, but I do think Linux has traditionally just been a better operating system for servers, probably due to the fact that that's where most of the funding for Linux ends up going, with the desktop versions of Linux being sort of secondary. It doesn't help that a lot of serverey software is kind of designed with POSIX-ey stuff in mind. Node.js took awhile to get Windows suppor…

I've used Windows on desktop since 3.1, and nowadays Windows 10 is my daily driver - IMO it's the best desktop OS, and always has been. But for servers, I much prefer Linux. It uses less resources, and it's so much easier to get it into a known and consistent state that Windows. Also, something about having a GUI for servers has always felt... wrong somehow!

Right tool for the job. Also Windows finally has a terminal and ssh, so it is tolerable.

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Post by contextfree »

chasil wrote: post #116
kryogen1c wrote: post #102

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I'm interested to know what the majority of the Windows machines are used for. I have IT experience in the "mom and pop" small-medium business world but am pretty Linux illiterate. I can buy a copy of Windows Server 2019, install the ActiveDirectory role, create a domain, and domain-join every computer that business has, and start doing all kinds of simple-but-effective policies like folder redirection+shadow copie…

Most of what you are talking about was implemented in DCE, and there were ports to Linux but it never became popular. Microsoft certainly lifted a fair amount of this code. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Distributed_Computing_Environm... Interestingly, SMB is about to switch to Google's QUIC UDP, which is a great improvement.

I think the GP meant SMB = "small and medium-sized business" rather than SMB = Server Message Block (the Windows file-sharing protocol)

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Post by scarface74 »

whoisjuan wrote: post #17

I found it funny when in Azure you create a resource and you can pick between Windows and Linux for the host and Windows is the default option... like bro, I’m not gonna run my shit on Windows walled and heavily licensed garden. What if tomorrow I have to migrate my stuff somewhere else. Are you crazy? P.S: I know there are legitimate reasons for running something on Windows but for any generic project that shouldn’t…

I've moved .Net Core apps freely between Linux and Windows.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

stinos wrote: post #35
rhacker wrote: post #19

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I've always got the feeling that MS specific developers are highly visual studio oriented. They have their connection string built into the IDE. In fact, if you asked them to make something that builds from the command line, and runs, they would probably be scratching their head for a while. It wouldn't surprise me at all to find some windows based companies that have classic windows VMs in the cloud, running Visual…

I've always got the feeling that MS specific developers are highly visual studio oriented This and the rest of your post is about one specific kind of developer, and I honestly wonder how you can think that's it.. Lack of experience or just bad luck and only ever met this kind perhaps? Anyway while I know for a fact these exist, your feeling is sort of wrong in that there are also developers who just use VS as the ID…

One example, when you install many applications, even automated via cli, it will open a gui progress bar.

Python used to do this, it still may.

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Post by aea12 »

vageli wrote: post #119
aea12 wrote: post #112

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How horrifically inappropriate your entire story was, and how worse off we all are having read it. You had that one in the bag waiting for “crematorium” to be contextual, I’m sure, but I’m only left saddened about human experience arriving at the end of your story without a shred of hesitation at making light of someone’s indignity in such spectacular fashion. And, on top of it, you plopped “unfortunately” behind som…

I think your interpretation is more telling of your own worldview than the parent. It had never occurred to me that such a failure mode could happen, and I thought it was a good story to share. It seems like something that may have been caught had a crematorium management system been in place.

My own worldview that people are universally people and we all deserve dignity in death? Yeah, I know, what a tragic way of looking at things. I drink myself to death over it.

Even accepting your criticism, the same exact thing is communicable without (a) the unnecessary detail about the decedent’s weight and (b) specific recollections of the event in question. Tradespeople communicate like that among each other because of how grim the work is. I know because I was one before I got thrown in with this lot, who apparently think I’m weird for not being on board with an aborted cremation being communicated in detail because it’s ostensibly a JIRA user story in waiting, if I’ve understood your almost equally distasteful worldview correctly.

I’m looking forward to your startup addressing this issue, since you seem to be so keen on the purity of the engineering discussion beyond irrelevant brain filling on an article about operating systems in the bloody datacenter.

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Post by aeyes »

jamieweb wrote: post #23

I'm interested to know what the majority of the Windows machines are used for. I can't think it'd be anything other than 'big enterprise' applications, where there seems to be a lot of bespoke stuff built specifically for Windows Server (e.g. finance software, healthcare systems, marriage registration, taxi licensing, nursing home management, etc). Unfortunately this sort of stuff is fairly rare to be available in th…

Many of the services Azure offers run on Windows, these are probably included in the number of total machines.

For example, the managed Postgres service runs on Windows which I didn't expect.

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Post by mixmastamyk »

tonyedgecombe wrote: post #74
GordonS wrote: post #34

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> I've always got the feeling that MS specific developers are highly visual studio oriented. They have their connection string built into the IDE. In fact, if you asked them to make something that builds from the command line, and runs, they would probably be scratching their head for a while. That might have been true once, but I think Microsoft-stack devs are a lot more command line savvy these days. The move towar…

That might have been true once, but I think Microsoft-stack devs are a lot more command line savvy these days. I don't think it's ever been that true. It's just a handy stick for some people to bash their perceived out-group.

For decades the cli interface on Windows was neglected on purpose, and it showed. Sure you could hobble along, but I don’t blame folks who didn’t.

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Post by skissane »

starik36 wrote: post #115
skissane wrote: post #106

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> Nor is there any consistency with the windows registry. The Windows registry is a bad implementation of a good concept. Imagine if the registry had a schema with embedded documentation, foreign key relationships, a packages database with each key owned by a package, etc...

> Imagine if the registry had a schema with embedded documentation, foreign key relationships So a database then?

Well, if you think about it, the Windows registry already is a hierarchical database – just a quite limited one. You could have a hierarchical database with richer features (LDAP is a good example of that, although in some ways LDAP is rather clunky).

If by database you mean "relational database" – I'm not sure the relational model is the best fit for a config store. I think a more hierarchical database model is more natural for that purpose. (Of course, you could use a relational database as an underlying implementation detail – LDAP is fundamentally a hierarchical database, but there exist LDAP servers which store the data in an RDBMS, for example Oracle Internet Directory.)

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Post by kylemuir »

scarface74 wrote: post #117
adwww wrote: post #85

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I went for a while of bumping into lots of job opportuntities using the Microsoft stack, and thought perhaps it would be good for my career to learn a bit. But the barrier to entry seemed so high at the time - you needed MSDN subscriptions, paid IDEs, and paid servers. All out of my reach as a self taught junior developer. I don't know how or where everyone learnt it all, except as graduate developers at BigCorp?

You don't have to pay for anything to learn the Microsoft stack. - Visual Studio Community Edition is full featured and free - SQL Server Express is free - You really don't need IIS but it is free. With C# you can run on top of Kestral.

This is true now but it wasn't when I started doing dot net development ~10 years ago. If it wasn't for my employer covering the costs I wouldn't have been able to do it.

There were free editions but they were crippled versions of the paid ones with no extensions, etc. The free versions were generally unloved and had annoying quirks.

At the time you needed to add a Resharper license in there too to be decently productive which was yet another overhead.

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Post by AnIdiotOnTheNet »

sitkack wrote: post #53
pmiller2 wrote: post #30

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Other than bespoke enterprise apps, my guess would be the majority of the remaining Windows machines run SQL server.

Doesn't SQL server run under Wine or https://reactos.org/wiki/ReactOS ?

Are you seriously suggesting either of these are appropriately dependable options for running a production database? Let alone supported options!?
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