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Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by clairity »

crazygringo wrote: post #16
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

To be more specific, and in response to your reply: Together with Final Cut Pro, Apple wants to have Mac-only exclusive software that is aimed specifically at cool creative professionals to build up the image that trendy creatives use Macs (and you therefore have no choice but to use a Mac, otherwise you won't have the software you need). Aperture couldn't really compete with Adobe's whole workflow (since Apple didn'…

> "(So it's certainly not about any profit from the software directly, and it's also not just a marketing 'halo'.)"

along these lines and in the absence of other evidence, in these kinds of peripheral situations it's always a good guess that the peripheral product supports the profits of the parent product, and it's value shows up not only in it's own profits but in the parent products' as well, that it's a flanking product meant to protect the primary.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by brookside »

shlom22 wrote: post #39
tpush wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at someone like Billie Eilish and her Apple Music-exlusive content. Obviously not literally "rock", but becoming a global star is still very much a thing.

Billie Eilish is our Lennon, Elon Musk is our Tesla and Donald Trump is our JFK. What a mess we are in culturally.

This is, of course, the far-too-common "appeal to antiquity" fallacy.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by mm89 »

shlom22 wrote: post #39
tpush wrote: post #32

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Look at someone like Billie Eilish and her Apple Music-exlusive content. Obviously not literally "rock", but becoming a global star is still very much a thing.

Billie Eilish is our Lennon, Elon Musk is our Tesla and Donald Trump is our JFK. What a mess we are in culturally.

Just wait until January when Elon replaces Trump in the Oval Office.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by SloopJon »

The first two things I looked for are the price (free upgrade):

"Logic Pro X 10.5 is available today as a free update for all existing users, and is available on the Mac App Store for $199.99 (US) for new customers."

... and the system requirements (doesn't require Catalina):

"macOS 10.14.6 or later"

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by TheOtherHobbes »

Macha wrote: post #33
billjings wrote: post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

In my experience, musicians and other creative types care first and formost about getting results. So that means they need a toolchain that is flexible and rich enough to yield great results. Performance is a factor there, inasmuch as it constrains results. The toolchain part is pretty broad: this includes OS services (audio routing!), outboard hardware, DAWs and video editors, and third party plugins. When comparing…

I'd be curious to see what OS audio routing support you're talking about. Maybe I'm just done, but I've not seen anything with the capabilities of voicemeter for Windows or Pulse or JACK for Linux. Specifically I'd like to have application A and B play to speakers, and have an output I can record that has application A and my microphone, without sending application B to that output or my microphone to my speakers. At…

It's not in the OS - deliberately, because being able to record an audio stream you're playing makes it easy to copy.

But you can pay money for apps that make it happen, and you can also Homebrew free options like BlackHole. (SoundFlower used to do this, but the more recent MacOS security updates seem to have nuked it.)

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by bredren »

dangoor wrote: post #45

It seems odd to me that there are no videos accompanying this press release, and there also don't appear to be any videos in the Mac app store. It seems like video (with audio!) would be a much better way to show off what this new version can do.

Your comment reminds me of the last time they tried to show off audio production using the all new Touchbar in 2016: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oO-t2TTIdPE

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by gdubs »

TheOtherHobbes wrote: post #85
gdubs wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anecdotally — I have a lot of friends and colleagues in the music industry — I wouldn’t say Pro Tools is more prestigious. It seems pretty split on people’s preferences and old habits die hard, but a LOT of top composers and producers use Logic.

Avid has pissed off a lot of users by being greedy while not providing a reliable product. PT was pretty much the industry standard ten years ago, but since then there's been a lot of churn to other DAWs - primarily Logic and Cubase, although a lot of dance/rap newcomers use Live and FL Studio. Bottom line is the resources Apple needs to devote to its media products are barely a rounding error, and the rewards are in…

This is just my random thoughts, but it would seem like Apple learned a lesson with the Mac Pro that they're not looking to repeat. The other advantage of creating high-end tools in-house is that it moves hardware, which remains a huge part of Apple's bottom line.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by Razengan »

crazygringo wrote: post #16
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

To be more specific, and in response to your reply: Together with Final Cut Pro, Apple wants to have Mac-only exclusive software that is aimed specifically at cool creative professionals to build up the image that trendy creatives use Macs (and you therefore have no choice but to use a Mac, otherwise you won't have the software you need). Aperture couldn't really compete with Adobe's whole workflow (since Apple didn'…

> The day that every single program creatives use runs as Windows as well as Macs, is the day it becomes a lot harder for a lot of people to justify buying a Mac. It's that simple.

As long as Macs are the best way to escape from Windows, people are going to buy Macs. It's that simple.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by robertoandred »

robenkleene wrote: post #65
jasode wrote: post #2

I own Apple Logic and thus I'm grateful for the continuous updates. On the other hand, I'm mystified why Apple continues its investment in this audio program. Yes, when Steve Jobs bought Logic from Emagic in 2002, it made strategic sense to fortify Apple's "software portfolio" to make Mac hardware more attractive. But that was before the surprising massive success of iPhones in 2007. Now, it seems like sales of Logic…

The answer to the Aperture question is easy: Apple decided those are more popular features and largely rolled those features into Photos.app. Even Adobe generally agrees, Lightroom CC is more of a competitor for Photos.app (both are entirely cloud-based) than Lightroom Classic (which is focused on the offline features that professionals generally need).

Photos in no way requires any cloud connection.

Re: Apple unveils biggest update to Logic since the launch of Logic Pro X

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Post by nonsapreiche »

sarreph wrote: post #28
nonsapreiche wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My novation lauchkey 49 works perfectly with logic 10.2 (control surfaces->setup->new->mackie design HUI and then select the input/output port to your lauchkey)

Sorry should've clarified. You're right that it works as a keyboard controller (w/ sliders and knobs) but I never found a way to make the pads useful (at least not in the way they so seamlessly integrate with Ableton). To be honest though, I always felt that mapping assignments to the Launchkey in Logic was quite clunky UX, hopefully this has improved a bit in this update.

I mapped the pad to the keyboard shortcuts, very useful to change the patch plugins ([] on keyboard) or to the utrabeat machine to play samples, not quite like ableton but you kown... logic was not for live performance and I hope it will never be.
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