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Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Post by jawns »

StreamBright wrote: post #211
benjohnson1707 wrote: post #96

Former Schwarz employee here: The company made SO much money in the past 4 decades with big box / discount retailing, you won't believe it. Salaries are off the charts (it would make senior software engineers in SV look pale). Hubris is as well. The only thing that drives reasoning are statements like 'we're not just some random company, we're Schwarz Group'. It's the poster child Corp described by Andy Gorves statem…

>> The Cloud idea very likely was acquired together with a former SAP cloud sales VP. Here is the difference: Core Schwarz DNA is selling packed soup to end customers at a crazy scale, without even intervening in the whole process. Core DNA SAP is a large scale enterprise sales. Go read the Stratechery posting about why Google failed with GCP to understand why Schwarz should not do this. This is exactly what I have g…

> Many of the AWS guys are life timers, do not care about money

I've heard, anecdotally, that Amazon/AWS engineers tend to be more money-driven than others in the same tier, or at least they're willing to put up with a lot more headaches because of the money.

Is that a misconception?

If not money, then what keeps them there?

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Post by delcaran »

niwork wrote: post #175
delcaran wrote: post #155

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Can confirm. As senior software developer I made 25K EUR in 2019.

That's a very poor salary for your job, if you don't mind me saying. Are you in Italy? What's the cost of living like? Salaries in Europe are generally quite low for devs compared to the US. I think it's best in the UK. Starting salary will average ~£25k, rising to ~£35k as you get more senior, then maybe £~45-55k one you're 5-10 years in. This is excluding London and contract-based work, of course.

Yes, I'm in Italy. Maybe it's because I live alone in a small and really cheap apartment, I keep the heat off even in winter (I dig cold) and I try to not eat at home (only lunch at work in the cafeteria), but I never had money problems. Things will surely change when I decide to buy a house.

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Post by marcinzm »

siscia wrote: post #279
ThePhysicist wrote: post #126

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We host a lot of our infrastructure on Hetzner Cloud and are very happy, but to be fair it's a long long shot away from what AWS offers. You basically only have compute, storage and networking, only three datacenters and two regions to choose from and no managed services at all. You also can't do advanced networking like announcing your own IP addresses (Hetzner only allows that in colocation). You also only have a f…

Honest question, Kubernets does not helps in closing the gap between AWS and Hetzner Cloud? I would think that an honest setup supported by k8s would, at least alleviate the need of managed solution? Are there AWS services without a competitive open source solution deployable in k8s?

Kube removes some of the infrastructure burden of running your own solution but not all of it and that's not the only burden.

For example, I can deploy Kafka on k8s. I still need to know enough about Kafka to be able to deploy it correctly (zookeeper, etc.). I need to know enough about k8s to know how Kafka can run on i and to fix issues. I then need to know enough about Kafka itself to tune it, fix issues, manage it, etc. Then there's interaction events such as upgrades which require coordinating between k8s and Kafka. And in the end I'd still be a novice at all of it.

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Post by eru »

benjohnson1707 wrote: post #96

Former Schwarz employee here: The company made SO much money in the past 4 decades with big box / discount retailing, you won't believe it. Salaries are off the charts (it would make senior software engineers in SV look pale). Hubris is as well. The only thing that drives reasoning are statements like 'we're not just some random company, we're Schwarz Group'. It's the poster child Corp described by Andy Gorves statem…

Interesting! I would have expected competition with eg Aldi would have kept them on their toes?

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Post by niwork »

zerr wrote: post #209
delcaran wrote: post #155

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Can confirm. As senior software developer I made 25K EUR in 2019.

Why? Go get a remote job and triple the salary, to start with. Of course don't mention your current one. Seriously, go scan HN Who Is Hiring thread for remote jobs - for US or Swiss companies, don't bill below six-figure. For German companies, aim high five-figure. Do it now.

Remote jobs paying 6 figures? Aren't they flooded with Indian applicants? Why can I hire an outsourced Indian or Ukrainian for £10,000 PA then? Sounds weird..

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Post by VWWHFSfQ »

BiteCode_dev wrote: post #261
dragonwriter wrote: post #188

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> Also, "my data is handled by a company under the EU law" is quite a good sale pitch these days. Everyone operating in the EU is under EU law, including Amazon, so it's certainly not a competitive pitch vs. Amazon, however much it might be on a checklist of things customers are looking for.

In opposition to the rules from the American authorities, which begets things like PRISM. Also, it's a matter of culture, the native law context of a company drives a lot of the things they do internally.

I can understand this. I would never prefer a German company if there was an equivalent American company providing the same service. In some ways it must feel like a loss of sovereignty to be so heavily reliant on American companies for necessary services. Google, Microsoft, Apple, Amazon, etc.

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Post by eru »

LargoLasskhyfv wrote: post #255
paganel wrote: post #134

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> Salaries are off the charts Just to add another data point, Lidl is also the retailer that pays the best market salaries in the Eastern-European country where I live in (they actually included that in several of their hiring ads), and I'm talking about shop people like cashiers and the people that put things on the shelves. > They are getting into the car sales and recycle business as well. In here they've also ope…

Another data point from Lidls homeland regarding the wage of the "shop people" from about 10 years ago. While we had endless political discussions about minimum wage there were numbers of 7,50EUR to 8,50EUR per hour in the air at that time. Don't remember exactly anymore. What i DO remember though is that they had signs in the shops which you couldn't miss when standing at the cashier. They read 10EUR per hour, and l…

Lidl and Aldi both expect a lot from their employees. The high productivity justifies the pay.

Not everyone wants such an intense job. So I am not sure it is a good idea to force eg other retailers into the same strategy. They already have Aldi and Lidl to compete with on the labour market, so there's already opportunity for workers to get higher pay, if they want to make that bargain.

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Post by eru »

bigiain wrote: post #296
ido wrote: post #290

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I would guess they misspelled "hasst" ("she hates me")?

I guess 23 year old industrial metal songs aren't shared cultural references on HN the way I'd assumed... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W3q8Od5qJio

Well, the original plays on the fact that "Du hast mich" and "Du hasst mich" sounds the same. That ambiguity is only there with 'Du', not with 'Sie'.

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Post by thinkmassive »

delcaran wrote: post #306
zerr wrote: post #209

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Why? Go get a remote job and triple the salary, to start with. Of course don't mention your current one. Seriously, go scan HN Who Is Hiring thread for remote jobs - for US or Swiss companies, don't bill below six-figure. For German companies, aim high five-figure. Do it now.

> Why? I used to like this job. I was looking for a new one but COVID-19 happened. As for the remote job, I currently work 6:30-17:00 with 45 minutes of commute, and the work environment is exausting. I don't think I could handle another job.

I think they meant find a different job rather than an additional job.

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Post by LargoLasskhyfv »

bildung wrote: post #163
wolfgke wrote: post #108

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> If Amazon decided to enter the German supermarket landscape, Lidl (also, Aldi and others) would be in serious trouble. I doubt that since I think that Amazon's vision is very different from what many German customers want. Here is a (German) text of a German blogger who went to Amazon Books in the Empire State Building. His experience was not positive: > https://www.danisch.de/blog/2019/06/18/ein-seltsamer-einkauf.…

That wouldn't even be legal in Germany (and I guess the EU), pricing has to be clearly labelled, and additionally has to have a price per common unit if the package has a different size (e.g. a 3.5l bottle of detergent would show €/litre). I wonder why they don't just use e-ink price labels? These are common around here for a decade or so.

Ever been to any Rewe or Penny at Saturdays? They usually have the bright yellow "action price/Sonderangebot" signs on the shelves which are valid only from the following Monday. It's a real nuisance.
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