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Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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"The acquisition, which completed on May 1, brings 70 cloud specialists into the wider group”. For comparison, Amazon has 40,000 employees in AWS.

Do they really? That’s an absurd number even by large company standards.

Yes.

Source: worked at Amazon for 5 years, including EC2.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#52
post #18

Europe, especially Germany, has this general consensus that EU needs it's inhouse large cloud providers. So think about state subsidies, preferring european partners and stuff like that. With enough capital and will they will get to somewhere. You can be sure the political establishment likely has their back.

And Lidl/Schwarz especially has a strict No-Amazon-Policy. They see Amazon as a competitor, so if you want to work with them on a corporate level, you must not use AWS to process or store anything relating to their business. They do make exceptions, but you better be prepared to make a hell of a case for your product for them to reach up to upper management and ask for an exception to buy your services.

And it makes sense, of course. If you rely on US-companies, you're dependent on the US. Any political or economical conflict will result in Washington pressuring US-companies and you'll be in a bad place. Given that most European governments (and Germany's especially) are very unhappy with the current US administration, it's obvious that they'd want to reduce dependencies.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#53

I'm really confused why they think european data protection laws are likely to be a big barrier. I think Amazon is well poised to let you choose regions for things, and unless LIDL knows something we don't, will probably be able to adapt to almost any new regulations as well or as fast as Lidl could. I also wonder why I would trust LIDL to execute on a vital part of infrastructure for us, when they can't manage an SA…

US companies will comply, knowingly or unknowingly, to US government requests for handing out data, no matter GDPR and data center location within EU.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#54
post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The resources Schwarz group has are quite large. Also, EU has zeigeist that they need their own massive cloud providers. So think it as a new flavour of Boeing vs Airbus, if you will. Hopefully with not so many state subsidies.

How large are their resources? Keep in mind we are talking about clod computing here where the big 3 themselves should be doing 60-70 billion dollars in sales yearly, so large has to be relative to the Industry.

Take a look at their Wikipedia page. They're the sixth-largest retailer in the world by revenue. And they have 100B euros in revenue, so not as big as Amazon (280B) but still huge.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#55
post #7

"The acquisition, which completed on May 1, brings 70 cloud specialists into the wider group”. For comparison, Amazon has 40,000 employees in AWS.

Do they really? That’s an absurd number even by large company standards.

Amazon plans to hire at least 200,000 and have a target of 85% of all workloads on AWS by 2050.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#56
post #5

In Sweden Lidl is know for being suspiciously cheap, they're even playing on it in their ads here. They had a marketing stunt where a chef started a luxury pop-up restaurant and the payoff was that it was all Lidl ingredients. "You can cook good food EVEN though you're using Lidl stuff" I'm not 100% sure that's what I want of a cloud provider.

Lidl is also my first choice in Sweden when it comes to supermarket. It does not make sense for me to pay 30-50% more of my money to a relatively same product from COOP or ICA.

Imo, they're already good at the supermarket business. I am wondering, instead of doing something out of their expertise, why they do not try to focus and beat other players in their core business. I think there are plenty of areas that can be improved. Having only 70 army and try to be on par with AWS is preposterous!

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

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post #31
post #7

"The acquisition, which completed on May 1, brings 70 cloud specialists into the wider group”. For comparison, Amazon has 40,000 employees in AWS.

Surely it can't be that many. And if it is, that has to include janitors at their data centers.

I'd wager a guess that less than half of that is engineering (At Oracle the sales:engineer ratio is around 3:1.)

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#58
post #31
post #7

"The acquisition, which completed on May 1, brings 70 cloud specialists into the wider group”. For comparison, Amazon has 40,000 employees in AWS.

Surely it can't be that many. And if it is, that has to include janitors at their data centers.

Several of the larger AWS services are at multi-hundred person engineering org headcounts.

EC2 has thousands of engineers by my estimation. Source: I worked thete.

There are 200+ AWS services now. So just 8 engineers (2 pizza team) for each service would be 1600 engineers. Let alone marketing, enterprise sales etc.

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#59
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Surely it can't be that many. And if it is, that has to include janitors at their data centers.

I'd wager a guess that less than half of that is engineering (At Oracle the sales:engineer ratio is around 3:1.)

guess again

Re: Lidl to Launch Rival to AWS

#60
I've been to LIDL / Schwarz Group headquarters in Heilbronn last year, and while they're a super young company with a vibrant atmosphere (which quite unique amongst large German companies), IMO they are ultimately too much attached to their legacy cash cows.

They are not streamlining retail processes because they earn too much money with it. They have great IT talent, which is building fancy pilots all day, but refuse roll them out because it will cannibalize their core business. Their core business is keeping people in the store for as long as possible so they buy more stuff.

On the logistics side, they have been the first large-scale retailer to digitize the EUR-pallets (they have RFID-based plastic pallets) which allows for some pretty fancy stuff.

They roll out their pallet processing tech at the suppliers' plant and have logistics data in their systems even before it is loaded on the suppliers' trucks.

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