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NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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My parents still can’t get NYS unemployment benefits processed since they started applying in March due to all the website and process problems. Sure wish they’d focus there.

Planning to reopen businesses across the state is certainly one aspect of fixing unemployment, and I doubt the graphic designer and web developer here had any significant impact on the maintenance of the unemployment computer systems.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Does: > Contact Tracers: 30 per 100k residents Mean 30 people doing manual contact tracing full time? If so, it seems like a fuzzy metric, since it would just measure butts in seats rather than any kind of efficacy. If it's measuring something else, excuse my ignorance.

It’s just that. People who will manually trace an infected persons contacts and force them to “Self” quarantine

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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That's the information that is on the dashboard... what are people supposed to do with that information?

Probably nothing, but it provides a way for the government to answer the question "when are we going to open back up?" to being "when all the checkmarks are green" instead of "when we say so".

Which is actually quite valuable as transparency from decision makers makes it much easier to evaluate the quality of their decisions and to understand whether they are being foolishly capricious or they are using facts and reasonable judgement about what should be done about an ongoing crisis.

Then if you disagree with the government's position, you can base an objection on facts (e.g., one of these metrics is not set at an appropriate level or is not impactful enough to guide decision making) instead of just yelling that the government is wrong and should change what they are doing.

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Insider knowledge here, but...the tools are rapidly being developed in California.

It would be great if the states had some kind of united way to collaborate on these efforts rather than individually inventing the wheel 50 times.

On the flip side the feds might pick a sub-optimal solution, as opposed to 50 separate independent actors who can try different things and converge on a best answer.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Look at the graph on page 10 of their powerpoint. NY has significantly beat any estimate for cases thus far. Then look at their graph on page 33 on possible scenarios for when we reopen. Another doomsday prediction THAT WILL NOT HAPPEN. Mandatory testing? Good luck with that. Contact tracing? What happens if one of these criteria aren't met. Will Fuhrer Cuomo lock us all inside again?

It didn't happen because we locked down and flattened the curve. Remember those first couple weeks when it was doubling so fast it was hard to keep count of the cases and the hospital system came close to breaking under the stress? We stopped that from crashing the system by staying indoors. The models said, here's what'll happen if things continue as they are. They didnt say what would happen if we implemented a lockdown, so of course they were "wrong." Not only did we keep the system from blowing it's capacity, we also gave ourselves enough time to learn about how to treat the disease (ventilators worse than we thought, remdesivir, etc) so even if we get the same number of cases as we would have without lockdown, we've time shifted a lot of them to a point where we know more about the disease. So, things went pretty well.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Does: > Contact Tracers: 30 per 100k residents Mean 30 people doing manual contact tracing full time? If so, it seems like a fuzzy metric, since it would just measure butts in seats rather than any kind of efficacy. If it's measuring something else, excuse my ignorance.

Butts in seats might be all that can be expected. Contact tracing is a fairly specialized, skilled occupation and doing it on a large scale is not a normal public health intervention so there's no existing base of staff, but supposedly hiring lots of people and rapidly setting them up contact tracing is how China defeated this so everyone needs to do the same. At least if they don't want headlines about how they're killing everyone by not having appropriate measures in place to re-open, and those will ruin any reopening attempt as surely as actual problems.

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Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

Is it informative? Where did these numbers come from? Why are they good thresholds?

As someone living in NYC, getting to some threshold Cuomo pulled out of his ass doesn't mean anything to me.

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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Very informative and transparent. This should be the standard everywhere. I'm a bit surprised (and disappointed) something similar does not exist for the Bay Area.

Is it informative? Where did these numbers come from? Why are they good thresholds? As someone living in NYC, getting to some threshold Cuomo pulled out of his ass doesn't mean anything to me.

Need a McKinsey press conference.

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Edit: This post is wrong. I didn't bother to read the article and was off base on most of the facts. Leaving this post only so I can remember my shame. NYC is a single city and county with 350k government employees and they've had a coordinated data effort for nearly a decade. "Bay Area" is like 8 counties and dozens of cities, each which have their own tech stacks and legal teams, pulling their efforts in different…

NYC is actually within five counties: New York County, Kings County, Bronx County, Queens County, and Richmond County.

And each county is a borough.

New York = Manhattan

Kings = Brooklyn

Bronx = The Bronx

Queens = Queens

Richmond = Staten Island

Just to keep things extra complicated...

Re: NY launches live dashboard of each regions progress hitting 7 reopening criteria

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post #60

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Neither site is clear where the testing capacity goal comes from. For NY, it is 30 per 1k (3%). For Bay Area, it is 200 per 100k (.2%). If my math is right, that's a significant discrepancy. Actually, I see NY's goal is monthly. So I guess that is more like 30 per 1k per 30 days (.1%). There some discussion of necessary testing rates in this NY magazine article: https://nymag.com/intelligencer/2020/05/white-house-pla…

As far as I know, it's still the case that no reasonably-large country is doing much more coronavirus testing than the US right now. The UK is probably just about over the 30 tests per 1k per 30 days mark averaged over a week as of our last testing increase, Germany might still be slightly below it but I haven't seen recent figures from them and they seemed to have stalled out increasing testing, and other countries…

“The United States currently ranks 32nd in Covid-19 tests per capita, one spot ahead of Belarus.” https://twitter.com/brianklaas/status/1259942315508064257
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