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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by ljm »

concordDance wrote: post #98
ornornor wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That’s whataboutism though. It beats doing nothing at all, and using some of the things you cite (oil, made in China) is close to impossible to avoid (for now at least), but that doesn’t preclude anyone from saying they disapprove of Tesla and won’t buy one of their car because of what they think of the ceo. Especially when the ceo is the brand.

Well what's the alternative to buying a Tesla? Are there any other purely electric car makers out there that produce at a non-negligible scale? Global warming is orders of magnitude more important than COVID19.

In many parts of the world, the alternative is to not buy a car at all.

Not so feasible in a car-centric country, but that's a other problem that needs to be solved.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by addicted »

ra7 wrote: post #55
anonytrary wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That's not very fair, since I could make the exact same argument about the the government's actions on this issue. Lockdowns didn't just threaten to destroy jobs -- they did destroy jobs. Calling out Elon Musk for making a decision that would do the same provides no contrast. On top of that, Elon Musk is trying hard to get his workers back to work . If it means moving to a new state where workers are actually allowed…

Let’s be real. All this drama by Elon Musk has very little to do with his “concern” for workers. He just wants to resume production so the business can resume. This is the same person that refused to shut down the factory and put his workers’ health at risk. The motive behind his dangerous tweets and tantrums is pretty clear for everyone to see.

At this point with Musk it feels like he does stuff just to get attention.

That whole business with calling the diver who saved a bunch of kids’ lives a paedophile was disgusting and it amazes me that anyone has any respect for Musk as a person anymore.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by hyko »

tinus_hn wrote: post #118
hyko wrote: post #41

And so fades any chance that I’ll ever buy a Tesla vehicle. All this lunacy is rotting the brand from the inside, and nobody has the power to stop it. Especially galling because they were supposed to use technology to lead us to a better world, but instead they seem to be unable to escape one man’s hubris.

Have fun buying a car from a manufacturer that is not manufacturing, and be sure to complain about Tesla threatening to boycott California while you threaten to boycott their products!

I’m not boycotting Tesla. What I’m saying is that as a prospective customer I am not reassured that the company won’t just try and pull a load of weird shit on me in the future (either by imploding or screwing me over) and for that reason I can’t commit to them. It’s a great pity because we have to recognise they have essentially created the modern EV space, and I was actually looking forward to adopting their tech.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by modzu »

nikkwong wrote: post #79
fxtentacle wrote: post #57

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Probably he's just rich enough so that his lived everyday experience suggests that everything is fine. I mean if you had assured access to excellent health care, easy access to testing, a large private garden to spend time outdoors in, and staff who take care of all the chores where normal people might get sick, then there's a good chance you also would feel more relaxed about this pandemic because it's likely to not…

I think there's some truth in this, I don't know. We don't see other billionaires being so inappropriately outspoken on these matters. Further, he has a cult-like following that's rare even for billionaires; because of this, the burden should fall on him even further to be more circumspect with his words. Just think about his public tweet ejaculations which frequently decimate his investor's 401k portfolios. Part of…

its funny that he can "decimate investors 401k" with a "tweet"! i think its part of his sense of humor

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by concordDance »

chimprich wrote: post #112
concordDance wrote: post #110

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Dunno about other countries, but here in the UK we don't seem to have a real exit strategy at all. I haven't seen any mention in the news of any other country's long term covid19 plan either. They haven't even come out and said "we just need to wait for a vaccine"...

The UK's strategy is lockdown to counteract the initial explosion where we allowed the initial outbreak to get out of control, then gradually release the lockdown whilst keeping R under 1. Keeping R under 1 is is to be done with a combination of social distancing, human contact tracing, an app, testing, quarantines etc. If R is under 1, your cases trend towards 0. Eventually the outbreak ends when you get a vaccine o…

Do you have a source for that being the UK's plan?

Also, it'll take over a year to get a vaccine or cases to 0 at current rates.

And then you need to stop people getting into the country who have it again.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by vekker »

markvdb wrote: post #95
otakucode wrote: post #7

What I didn't see mentioned that concerns me (although I admit it might be a concern born purely out of ignorance): No mention of whether employees would be provided with a minimum of 2 weeks paid sick leave should they show symptoms of COVID-19. Any employee who has a reasonable chance of becoming ill with COVID-19 at their work, and who does not also have a minimum of 2 weeks paid leave, should, by all logic I can…

Fundamental flaws in US health care and worker protection exposed. That's what this is. Compare to the system in my native Belgium: - a month of 100% paid sick leave, paid by the employer - followed by five months 60% of wage in sick leave, paid by social security - protected from redundancy within this 6 month period - if made redundant afterwards while still ill after 6 months, obligation for the employer to pay (s…

I'm happy to live in a country with such a strong social safety net as well, compared to the US (even though I don't profit from it at all being young, self-employed and unmarried...), but on the other hand I'm really concerned about our future. Someone has to pay for this and it's not like the government is encouraging people to roll up their sleeves and to learn some personal responsibility, with all the benefits they're giving for not working.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by topkeks »

ornornor wrote: post #111
concordDance wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well what's the alternative to buying a Tesla? Are there any other purely electric car makers out there that produce at a non-negligible scale? Global warming is orders of magnitude more important than COVID19.

Why yes, as far as I know Tesla isn't only the only auto maker that offers a 100% electric car.

At a non-negligible scale?

Citation needed.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by concordDance »

hyko wrote: post #113
concordDance wrote: post #102

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The lives involved are mostly not economically productive. (This is not to say they aren't very valuable and worth living, just that your quip is incorrect) In my view, lives are for living. A rampant covid 19 (which we'll probably get any way) would cost a few months of life expectancy. I'm unconvinced preventing many from living their lives to the fullest for months in the hopes that covid 19 will magically disappe…

It’s very difficult to live life to the max when you’re dead, or in hospital for weeks. The idea that a rampant COVID-19 would cost a few months of life expectancy, or that victims of the virus are not economically productive is not supported by the evidence we do have, e.g. https://www.economist.com/graphic-detail/2020/05/02/would-mo... We all want the lockdown to end as soon possible, but when we do it, we need to…

I don't see how that graph supports your point. It seems to be about years of life lost per death, rather than years of life lost per infection.

It's also not correct stats to bucket data this strongly as you end up assuming that the dead are a representative sample of the population in your buckets (in this case, age and number of conditions). For example, if there are two subpopulations in each bucket, one with a much lower remaining life expectancy and much higher rate of death from covid19 (fixing age bucket and number of pre-existing conditions), then you'll end up vastly overstating the numbers. (An example subpopulation here could be men/women or people with a pre-existing condition that slightly/severely complicates a covid19 infection)

I can't read the article, so let me know if the above is addressed.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by concordDance »

ben_w wrote: post #116
concordDance wrote: post #98

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Well what's the alternative to buying a Tesla? Are there any other purely electric car makers out there that produce at a non-negligible scale? Global warming is orders of magnitude more important than COVID19.

I thought the point of the free market was to send signals about what factories should be built with your purchasing choices, not to limit your purchasing choices to whoever has the biggest factory today? So me buying a non-Tesla electric car will have much the same effect as buying a Tesla with regard to the future of personal transportation? Regardless of how many cars the other manufacturer is currently producing?…

> So me buying a non-Tesla electric car will have much the same effect as buying a Tesla with regard to the future of personal transportation? Regardless of how many cars the other manufacturer is currently producing?

I honestly don't know either way

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by tenpies »

nikkwong wrote: post #39
jshen wrote: post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

> He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed.

He's not very brilliant though. He may be good at his niche (although I'm not sure what that is judging by the quality of Tesla vehicles), but if you are a subject matter expert in a field that he pretends to know, it becomes very obvious that his knowledge is extremely surface-level and the equivalent of "I read Wikipedia on the plane".

Actually I think his brilliance is in convincing the eager Silicon Valley masses that he's brilliant and that they should invest in his companies - regardless of how poorly they continue to do.

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