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Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by yaknh »

bryanrasmussen wrote: post #42
icelancer wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wasting? Tesla paid for those courts and associated costs with their taxes as well. They're meant to be used by all.

If I sue somebody for something that will in the end be thrown out and I know if but am only trying to cause a nuisance or maybe trying to pump up my ego then, despite my having paid taxes, I am wasting tax money. Since the tax money is pooled it is hard to say if I am wasting mine or others.

When the government is not cooperating in the good-faith manner with a business, you have no choice but the court to come to a settlement. Is it civilize way to solve disagreements, isn’t?

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by throwaway20148 »

Animats wrote: post #56

Missing the elephant in the room here. Musk is a druggie. He's known to use at least marijuana and Ambien.[1] Sam Altman was worried about this back in 2017: "There was Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk offering this tweet: "A little red wine, vintage record, some Ambien ... and magic!" Naturally, not everyone was moved positively by this apparent form of entertainment. Y Combinator President Sam Altman, for example, wo…

A “druggie”? Who are you, Andy Griffith?

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by bboygravity »

rdgthree wrote: post #49
propter_hoc wrote: post #25

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My point is that this is yet another case where it is Tesla who is in the news for some controversial conflict. Such as the many times it's attempted to fight the SEC, played fast and loose with health and safety regulations in its factories, attempted to manipulate markets to burn short sellers, or bricked the cars of second-hand sellers. Sure, one or two of those events could be explained. But there is a social com…

Elon plays fast and loose with his opinions in public discourse, but generally when Tesla makes an official move like this it seems to be more thoroughly considered by a larger group of people than just Elon. I have the same gut feeling that you seem to have when I first hear these stories, but the associated press releases seem to consistently have concrete foundations that I don't initially expect. In this case, th…

This really is the best comment I read on here.

I'd like to add that in the Joe Rogan interview, Elon's main point is not "let's open Tesla factories, I don't care that many people will die" like some seem to imply here on Hacker News. His main point was that the data is we have on covid epidemiology doesn't say much and we "need to cleanup the data", which seams totally reasonable to me.

Decisions are being taken by government (through epidemiologists) with extremely poor data. The data simply does not hold the information needed to take a proper decisions about the lock down. And when it comes to pandemics & politics this lack of information means that the only option available is to go for overly cautious. Decisions about the economy that can (prematurely) make or break the economy permanently. As in: the end of the US/Western empire forever.

It's very easy for the media and people to jump onto the "omg, you only care about money" bandwagon whenever someone argues that maybe we should think this lockdown thru. It's also unoriginal, unsubstantiated and unproductive.

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Post by holler »

Phr0ztByte wrote: post #6
KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #3

Charlie Munger on Elon Musk: “I don’t want my personal life to be [around] a bunch of guys who are living in a state of delusion, who happen occasionally to win big,” Munger told Daily Journal’s shareholders. “I want the prudent person.” https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/19/charlie-munger-ideal-hire-wo...

And from the same article "is bold and brilliant, and he swings for the fences." and ... "People like that get some remarkable results,” Munger continued. “Sometimes they get some quick failures. I haven’t the faintest idea how Elon Musk will turn out, but he has a considerable chance of success and considerable chance of failure. He seems to like it that way."

> but he has a considerable chance of success...

Wait a second, by all measures this billionaire is _already_ successful, no? How could anyone claim the contrary?

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Post by m463 »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #21
mkagenius wrote: post #11

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> I admire Buffet and Munger, but the guys are 90 years old, Well, then you need to tell me your age, to know whether I should care about what you have written above.

Not OP, but mid 30s and I’m getting a bit tired of folks who are out of touch because of their age believing their past experience can extrapolate a future they don’t understand (Buffett in particular has done a very poor job understanding and investing in tech). It’s terribly ironic that they think Musk is just lucky considering Munger and Buffett were able to invest during one of the most prosperous times in Americ…

I recently listened to a podcast and it had an interesting thought that has kept me wondering.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Chesterton%27s_fence

(this page seems a little more biased than I remember in favor of a conservative viewpoint)

I wonder if in 6 months opening a business quickly will seem prescient, or will it have been a disaster?

What I actually think Musk should do is do what he's done well before, "science the shit out of it". Figure out how to move forward without killing someone (in a rocket accident or a covid accident)

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by seppin »

toomuchtodo wrote: post #21
mkagenius wrote: post #11

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I admire Buffet and Munger, but the guys are 90 years old, Well, then you need to tell me your age, to know whether I should care about what you have written above.

Not OP, but mid 30s and I’m getting a bit tired of folks who are out of touch because of their age believing their past experience can extrapolate a future they don’t understand (Buffett in particular has done a very poor job understanding and investing in tech). It’s terribly ironic that they think Musk is just lucky considering Munger and Buffett were able to invest during one of the most prosperous times in Americ…

> believing their past experience can extrapolate a future they don’t understand

Imagine thinking anyone knows what will happen in the future.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by holler »

KKKKkkkk1 wrote: post #70
inakarmacoma wrote: post #61

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Cannabis, and Ambien? Oh, the horrors.

Whether it's chemical induced or not, his behavior is erratic. I don't think there's another CEO who isn't allowed to tweet without prior legal review.

CEO of America :laugh:

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Post by holler »

Animats wrote: post #56

Missing the elephant in the room here. Musk is a druggie. He's known to use at least marijuana and Ambien.[1] Sam Altman was worried about this back in 2017: "There was Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk offering this tweet: "A little red wine, vintage record, some Ambien ... and magic!" Naturally, not everyone was moved positively by this apparent form of entertainment. Y Combinator President Sam Altman, for example, wo…

If we're asserting he's a druggie due to cannabis use, then all of America and the world are druggies from ethanol use.

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Post by nikkwong »

fxtentacle wrote: post #57
nikkwong wrote: post #39

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Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

Probably he's just rich enough so that his lived everyday experience suggests that everything is fine. I mean if you had assured access to excellent health care, easy access to testing, a large private garden to spend time outdoors in, and staff who take care of all the chores where normal people might get sick, then there's a good chance you also would feel more relaxed about this pandemic because it's likely to not…

I think there's some truth in this, I don't know. We don't see other billionaires being so inappropriately outspoken on these matters. Further, he has a cult-like following that's rare even for billionaires; because of this, the burden should fall on him even further to be more circumspect with his words.

Just think about his public tweet ejaculations which frequently decimate his investor's 401k portfolios. Part of his appeal is how he's so forthcoming about his thoughts; but this is proving to be a double edged sword. As days continue to pass his words feel more and more like an instance of Hanlon's razor, he's not actually trying to project a world view that makes sense; it simply doesn't matter to him. And these externalities which are laying in his wake also don't matter. You will be hard pressed to find a billionaire that's that careless.

Re: Getting Back to Work

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Post by hyko »

flo123456 wrote: post #66
hyko wrote: post #41

And so fades any chance that I’ll ever buy a Tesla vehicle. All this lunacy is rotting the brand from the inside, and nobody has the power to stop it. Especially galling because they were supposed to use technology to lead us to a better world, but instead they seem to be unable to escape one man’s hubris.

Better get a Diesel from a respected vendor then. They’ve not done anything questionable for the past 2-3 years. ;-)

Other electric vehicle makers are available :) And none of them need an erratic soap opera swirling around them to market their products.
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