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Re: Getting Back to Work

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post #4

It's obviously essential, critical work to fill up giant parking lots with new cars no one is going to buy. That's a great reason to resume work during the pandemic. I can't believe they even got shut down in the first place. If there aren't at least ten teslas for every American that can't afford them, we have failed as a society.

Please don't take HN threads further into flamewar.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Getting Back to Work

#52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It looks like you got downvoted. There is a certain group of people that if they catch you outside without a mask or if you say publicly people should return to work, they'll post pictures of you on reddit and advocate for your murder, but as soon as Elon Musk says people should return to work they will immediately defend him because they think he is a God that is faultless.

I suspect that a large portion of this “group of people” are entirely fictional.

I think both groups are very real and quite large, but the overlapping group that the poster implied is basically non-existent.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#53

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Please don't take HN threads into ideological flamewar. Not what this site is for.

There are plenty of critical comments (in the four threads HN has had about this topic) which have not been downvoted. Ranty flamebait, on the other hand, should certainly be downvoted and flagged.

https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html

Re: Getting Back to Work

#54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I admire Buffet and Munger, but the guys are 90 years old, Well, then you need to tell me your age, to know whether I should care about what you have written above.

Not OP, but mid 30s and I’m getting a bit tired of folks who are out of touch because of their age believing their past experience can extrapolate a future they don’t understand (Buffett in particular has done a very poor job understanding and investing in tech). It’s terribly ironic that they think Musk is just lucky considering Munger and Buffett were able to invest during one of the most prosperous times in Americ…

I'm mid-30s and I'm equally tired of people without a whole lot of experience assuming they understand more about the world than they do.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#55
post #40

Bold move, threatening to destroy local jobs (if he doesn't get what he wants), in one of the wealthiest economies in the world, when public perception of "businesses putting profit in front of human lives" is hitting an all-time low. This is going to be entertaining.

That's not very fair, since I could make the exact same argument about the the government's actions on this issue. Lockdowns didn't just threaten to destroy jobs -- they did destroy jobs. Calling out Elon Musk for making a decision that would do the same provides no contrast. On top of that, Elon Musk is trying hard to get his workers back to work . If it means moving to a new state where workers are actually allowed…

Let’s be real. All this drama by Elon Musk has very little to do with his “concern” for workers. He just wants to resume production so the business can resume. This is the same person that refused to shut down the factory and put his workers’ health at risk. The motive behind his dangerous tweets and tantrums is pretty clear for everyone to see.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#56
Missing the elephant in the room here. Musk is a druggie. He's known to use at least marijuana and Ambien.[1] Sam Altman was worried about this back in 2017:

"There was Tesla and SpaceX CEO Elon Musk offering this tweet: "A little red wine, vintage record, some Ambien ... and magic!" Naturally, not everyone was moved positively by this apparent form of entertainment. Y Combinator President Sam Altman, for example, worried: 'Ambien tweeting is a dangerous game.'"

[1] https://www.cnet.com/news/elon-musks-strange-strange-ambien-...

Re: Getting Back to Work

#57
post #22

I’ve been planning to get a Tesla, but I can’t buy one anymore. Between this and all the crazy, and sometimes illegal, shit Elon says, I just cant do it.

Yeah, watching his attitude regarding the entire COVID situation on his recent appearance of the Joe Rogan show really ended the lifelong bout of respect I had for the man. He's paradoxically so brilliant yet so misinformed. His idea that we should all just exit quarantine tomorrow because it's unconstitutional is not only dangerous but also now seems to come from a place of selfishness after this statement. Economis…

Probably he's just rich enough so that his lived everyday experience suggests that everything is fine. I mean if you had assured access to excellent health care, easy access to testing, a large private garden to spend time outdoors in, and staff who take care of all the chores where normal people might get sick, then there's a good chance you also would feel more relaxed about this pandemic because it's likely to not inconvenience you personally.

Of course, he's still a acting ignorant / stupid, but I'd guess that a certain lack of social skills - empathy in particular - is quite common among startup founders.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Not OP, but mid 30s and I’m getting a bit tired of folks who are out of touch because of their age believing their past experience can extrapolate a future they don’t understand (Buffett in particular has done a very poor job understanding and investing in tech). It’s terribly ironic that they think Musk is just lucky considering Munger and Buffett were able to invest during one of the most prosperous times in Americ…

We'll have to see how many tech companies survive the coming depression before we can determine whether the long game at Berkshire is wrong or not :) Indeed, we'll see if Tesla survives, not only the coincidental depression, but also the multi-hundred-billion-dollar war chest being leveraged against them by the other car companies with a century more experience each, more connections, and broader reach. It's a bit ea…

Well said. I'm a huge fan of Elon and Tesla and am optimistic about their future, but Munger's approach here is incredibly reasonable. I would love to see Tesla succeed, but I also know that I'd hesitate quite a bit to bet billions of dollars on their success.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#59

Charlie Munger on Elon Musk: “I don’t want my personal life to be [around] a bunch of guys who are living in a state of delusion, who happen occasionally to win big,” Munger told Daily Journal’s shareholders. “I want the prudent person.” https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/19/charlie-munger-ideal-hire-wo...

Taking this quote out of context is impressively dishonest. It would be incredibly inaccurate to describe Elon's history of winning big as "occasional", and for that same reason it would be incredibly surprising if Charlie Munger described Elon's career this way with no qualifiers. Not surprisingly, he didn't. This quote is the end of a much more nuanced statement to conclude the point that he generally prefers to in…

The quote speaks for itself. Please do not stoop to ad hominems.

Re: Getting Back to Work

#60
post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Predicting the future is notoriously difficult and reviewing the past can only show what happened from a single course of action. There's literally no way to know what would have happened if no lock down happened. There aren't even good examples of other countries that didn't lock down since basically everyone did. So, since I'm no an epidemiologist, I'll defer the expertise to those that are.

>> There aren't even good examples of other countries that didn't lock down since basically everyone did. If you mean via government mandate, Sweden is a good ongoing example of this.

Sweden has 2x the projected per capita death rate of the US from the virus. I think saving 135k lives are a substantial consideration for action.
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