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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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You guys forget how big of a problem spam was before gmail. They won the AI arms race and basically eliminated spam as a major problem.

This is right on, along with the large amount of free storage.

also, Gmail invented the conversation format. People forget that all email prior was displayed by receive datetime desc only. finally, Gmail was the first to get Ajax right in a webmail setup, new mail just showed up without having to click a refresh or send/receive button.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#123

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That's how it used to be, then people on social media such as Twitter started reporting things like "why is this Bounty ad next to a controversial figure like Pewdiepie". That's when companies paying for ads started to care and pulled funding.

Right, so the idea is to separate the two experiences, like I said.

Although this has been attempted before and was eventually reversed (as other posters have pointed out), it is probably worth your time to investigate and possibly prototype. It may not be a model that dominates the market, but you might be able to find your niche.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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I fail to see what the problem is here. So you end up with a couple big free providers that serve ads (like Gmail, Yahoo!, Outlook, etc.) and some smaller premium providers (like Fastmail, G-Suite, ProtonMail, etc.) and if someone really wants to they can even host their own. Also, if someone had a neat idea for a new Fediverse business they can launch it and interoperate with all the existing ones (like starting a n…

Consider how Facebook got started. It didn't appear out of thin air and immediately dominate the market, it was a competitor fighting against LiveJournal, MySpace etc and it managed to achieve monolithic control through becoming the defacto standard. As a separate analogy, consider a server for a MMO. MMO servers live and die based off the usercount, and lower count servers are considered less desirable for other inc…

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Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

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I fail to see what the problem is here. So you end up with a couple big free providers that serve ads (like Gmail, Yahoo!, Outlook, etc.) and some smaller premium providers (like Fastmail, G-Suite, ProtonMail, etc.) and if someone really wants to they can even host their own. Also, if someone had a neat idea for a new Fediverse business they can launch it and interoperate with all the existing ones (like starting a n…

Consider how Facebook got started. It didn't appear out of thin air and immediately dominate the market, it was a competitor fighting against LiveJournal, MySpace etc and it managed to achieve monolithic control through becoming the defacto standard. As a separate analogy, consider a server for a MMO. MMO servers live and die based off the usercount, and lower count servers are considered less desirable for other inc…

Why do MMO players gravitate towards the server with the most players? I don't play MMOs but I'm guessing it's because they can only play with users on the same server as them. Federated services don't have this limitation.

As a counter example, if the behavior you described really did happen in federated systems then why hasn't it happened to email?

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#126
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The problem for the Fediverse will always be domains, in my opinion. It sounds silly to the technical demographic, but to a normal person, it is a massive issue. "Which server do I choose to get in bed with?" It's not just a question of which server do you trust to be a good actor and to not shut down tomorrow. It's also a question of which domain name do you want associated with your user account? Do you want alice@…

While I don't agree that "gmail" is "be myself", I do think the biggest missing piece from the Fediverse is an easy, straightforward way to handle "I already have a domain and an email at that domain, I want to use that domain for the fediverse, without hosting anyone else's content that might create liability or annoyance". I have an email address. That unique identifier is also what I'd want to use for the fedivers…

I can’t agree with this enough. I’d love to hear more about how to accomplish what you’re asking in the current state of the fediverse. I’ve been reading into it but am not sure how to use my own instance as my “who I am” and “where I am from” while not allowing others to be from my “home” yet still safely connecting and conversing with others.

It’s marketed as easy, but once you start digging into the details, it quickly becomes more complex than I was expecting.

I’ve been looking into Mastadon, Pixelfed, and Matrix to use in this way, but it seems pointless since I don’t want to host my friends and family’s content, and they’re not going to sign up for some random odd sounding instance. I’m then left with an empty social network or communication tool that’s little more than a tech demo.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#127

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Right, so the idea is to separate the two experiences, like I said.

You can't separate the two experiences. What the poster was saying is that it was already tried. They were already separated. And then advertisers realized that having your ads displayed on video content that is damaging to your company's image is generally Really Really Bad for PR. No company is going to sign on for your platform if they can't control where and how their ads are shown.

Try thinking outside of the box before criticizing an approach you don't even understand. There is no reason why the ad needs to be displayed next to the video content and no reason it can't be displayed in a content-agnostic fashion.

I don't want to go into the details of my revenue model but it's sound and has undergone multiple refinements. I don't need you to explain PR to me. I've done my research. I've read Crystalizing Public Opinion by the man himself, Edward Bernays. I am going to venture out and say that I know more about this subject than you and you should reverse your thrusters.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#128

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Right, so the idea is to separate the two experiences, like I said.

Although this has been attempted before and was eventually reversed (as other posters have pointed out), it is probably worth your time to investigate and possibly prototype. It may not be a model that dominates the market, but you might be able to find your niche.

Thank you.

One thing people don't understand is that while Clorox might not want their ads next to a video about guns, they still want their ads to reach me. If 100% of my consumed content involves guns, there is a compromise in some capacity which Clorox is willing to make. The aim of the model is to make it such that this compromise is fair and clearly separates sponsored content and consumed content so that there is no connection between the two. This is accomplished in many ways.

If this is something that interests you, I'm happy to discuss my model in a private setting.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#129

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It has more to do with these recent YT changes causing big issues with monetization and community-building. Less revenue, but also comments are now disabled for example. If you make content which could in any way be aimed for kids, or has kids appearing in the video (with some nuances) then you don't get comments which are huge for building a community. And if you get it wrong, the video or channel could be demonitiz…

Meanwhile, PeerTube doesn’t have monitization of any kind. And if they ever do, it will have to somehow contend with the same sort of advertising pressure that got Google, the world’s largest company, to forgo a good slice of revenue.

One of the keys to the revenue model, a version of which I am test-driving with a sister product I'm actively developing, is that the venture must be non-profit and have a strong charter.

Re: We Are Trying Out PeerTube

#130

Wow I had no idea about peertube. Is it viable? That’s really encouraging to hear about a competitor to YouTube

It's a competitor to YouTube the same way Mastodon is a competitor to Twitter (though Mastodon is probably more popular). It's a similar service but federated.

One neat (or overcomplicating?) thing about PeerTube is that you can follow a PeerTube account with your Mastodon account. Posted videos show up as "toots" and I'm guessing that your replies turn into comments on the video.

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