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Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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I am very diligent about applying updates as soon as I'm able and generally read the changelogs of the updates I'm applying in Ubuntu's Software Updater. One thing I will not do is willingly allow somebody else a way to deploy and execute code on my computer without my say so (which snap is). After reading the whole thread at https://forum.snapcraft.io/t/disabling-automatic-refresh-for... and seeing Gustavo Niemeyer'…

It's probably not a surprise to you, but this is a hotly debated topic inside Canonical. And I apologize for that thread, as it really doesn't represent our best attempt at external debate. Changing a paradigm usually involves pushing the envelope and breaking some existing assumptions; systemd is everybody's favorite example of that in the Linux world. The root of this issue with snaps is the trade-off between built…

> Server apps are more complex and are a strong argument counter to the existing behavior, as is the fact that many apps cannot be refreshed without user impact.

Updates to non-server applications can also have a big user impact and there needs to be a way to avoid/delay them when you know you won't have time to deal with any potential fallout.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Because there are so many different Linux distorts out there. I feel like at least one of them should be as newb friendly as possible.

That doesn't answer why it's okay to not give an option for advanced users. Even they want to use Ubuntu.

Too many options are confusing ala apple? But it really is simple enough to push the advanced options somewhere most users would stumble upon.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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Yeah, I'm confused as well. I just tried Calc on win10 for the first time in weeks or months and it opened before I could count 2 seconds. This is from a SSD where it won't have been in cache.

2 seconds isn't instant.

It's 100% instant on my computer. No delay from pressing enter and it opening.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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So I run Kubuntu on my work laptop (X1 Carbon) and just upgraded to 20.04 last weekend. I had a vague idea there were different competing standards for "linux apps that work across distribution" but didn't know people had such a problem with snap. It just seemed like a useful tool for installing proprietary stuff that wouldn't normally be packaged by the distribution. I just checked and the snaps I have that aren't f…

There are some downsides (footprint, forced updates, speed, etc.), though depending on what you're installing those may not be deal-breakers. I'm using plain Ubuntu 20.04 and I tend to install stuff via apt and not snap in general (but I am fine with installing non-essential things via snap). The software store has a subtle toggle in the upper right for choosing to install a package as a snap or via apt when both are…

Imho the principal downside (which you didn't mention) is the vendor lockdown.

Re: Ubuntu 20.04 LTS’ snap obsession has snapped me off of it

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I think part of the problem is that many newish users equate Linux with Ubuntu, good and bad. There are many other options and Ubuntu should not be the default anymore.

I've tried several Linux distros, but always go back to Ubuntu as it tends to work with the least fuss. Still a lot of fuss compared to Windows and Mac for desktop software, but less for development, so it balances out. Ubuntu 20.04 is super snappy (catch the pun?) and really has been working well for me. I strongly recommend it. It feels like a new computer.

My experience is the exact opposite, I recently built a desktop, the motherboard is ASUS ROG STRIX Z390 GAMING, despite all my efforts, Ubuntu wasn't able to even boot, While Fedora not only booted, but was "super snappy"
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