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Re: We Chat, They Watch

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It's not just WeChat. They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Chinese propaganda to the American public.

Superhero movies and blockbusters movies (and tv shows like Picard) always feature a part asian young character. I guess it helps their worldwide sales. Makes it easier to see the influence.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Outside of China, we're pretty lucky that we can just register for random sites like HN with nothing more than a username and password and start talking. Every Chinese site I've ever used requires phone number or ID verification. Most of them only allow Chinese-registered phones, meaning it's absolutely impossible to communicate with Chinese people from the outside world, aside from a very small number of carefully v…

We will give our freedoms away in name of preventing toxicity and hate speech. Won't you feel good you are helping squash bigots by giving your PII away

>Won't you feel good you are helping squash bigots by giving your PII away

That doesn't enter the equation for what I would imagine is 99.99% of users.

It's the erosion of privacy in the name of a) "Safety"

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b) convenience

The average person of the world has shown that they will trade virtually anything for the perception of convenience, or "safety".

Look at the most recent gun ban in Canada for an obvious example; An act riddled with nonsense, already acknowledged to be completely ineffective at preventing gun crimes, pushed through by a minority government during a pandemic to the applause of a large part of the populace there in exchange for the false perception of "safety".

The most frightening thing is just how effective it is.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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AFAIR Whatsapp does send a copy of your messages to facebook if the messages flag the apps internal 'sounds-like-criminal-activity' scanner.

Do you have a reference for this please? All I can find is this "false alarm": https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2019/08/more_on_backd...

"We report all apparent instances of child exploitation appearing on our service from anywhere in the world to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children (NCMEC),"

https://faq.whatsapp.com/en/general/26000050

Something is being watched. I imagine they are hashing images and comparing them to a database.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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post #181
post #83

It's not just WeChat. They own stakes in many american media companies and movie production houses. They use this influence to also change our Media and push pro-Chinese propaganda to the American public.

Superhero movies and blockbusters movies (and tv shows like Picard) always feature a part asian young character. I guess it helps their worldwide sales. Makes it easier to see the influence.

Wow, one character from a region that makes up 60% of the world's population? How radical. Next you'll be telling me that I should be worried because they included a black character and a female character.

If anything, the fact that anyone considers this at all notable should be a sign of just how racially biased casting is in most Western media. The world isn't nearly as white as it looks on your TV.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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It’s worth noting that Facebook Messenger also intercepts and filters messages. For example, it’s impossible to send a message containing the link “joebiden.info”. On the mobile app, it will simply say “failed to send.” On desktop, it will tell you the link violates its “community standards” and cannot be shared.

It is so painfully obvious that you are a fake account sea lioning to spread propaganda. Get lost.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Thankfully the US isn't a communist dictatorship

Can you define the characteristics of a communist dictatorship that are relevant here? Not the economic ones per se, but the ones that make you nervous about spying and media control.

Dictatorships need to control the population

I would mostly be worried about the kgb (the secret police). The disappearing in the middle of the night never to be seen again would make me nervous. The beatings or listening to phone calls or bugging of rooms were common.

I wouldn't want to challenge the government if I owned a media company because it will be taken away. Same with any business.

Ever have a business (store) be taken from you/your family and given to others who are more friendly with those in power? It happened to my grandfather in Hungry.

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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post #158

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We will give our freedoms away in name of preventing toxicity and hate speech. Won't you feel good you are helping squash bigots by giving your PII away

>Won't you feel good you are helping squash bigots by giving your PII away That doesn't enter the equation for what I would imagine is 99.99% of users. It's the erosion of privacy in the name of a) "Safety" and b) convenience The average person of the world has shown that they will trade virtually anything for the perception of convenience, or "safety". Look at the most recent gun ban in Canada for an obvious example…

Yes, the ban may not be perfect, but as a Canadian, I can say unequivocally: I don't need perfect to be the enemy of good. There's no reason to possess these weapons any more than there's a reason to possess nuclear warheads.

The next bill can ban more, fix the bugs, etc, but the flag has been planted: there's no room for those weapons in Canada.

A huge number of people have wanted to ban weapons like these since Ecole Polytechnique [1] -- and probably much further back. We've been lucky to have few enough such mass murders to remember many by name, and it also makes them horrifying enough that we're not going to sit back and pray the crime away. The Liberal Party (currently in power) ran on banning these weapons. Then they banned the weapons. They did the job they were elected to do.

I don't think that's a good example tbh.

[edit] Let's be super clear when you say "pushed through by a minority government during a pandemic" -- you're seeming to imply that the minority is somehow strong-arming the majority. That's the exact opposite of how that works in the Canadian parliamentary democratic system. A minority government is in a very weak position and can be removed at any time. If this was at all controversial the next confidence motion would be swiftly defeated and the government would fall. A minority government wouldn't do something like this without absolute confidence.

Unlike a majority government a minority government must rule by consensus or face immediate removal. I think they normally don’t even make it past the 3 year mark.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/École_Polytechnique_massacre

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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post #158
post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Outside of China, we're pretty lucky that we can just register for random sites like HN with nothing more than a username and password and start talking. Every Chinese site I've ever used requires phone number or ID verification. Most of them only allow Chinese-registered phones, meaning it's absolutely impossible to communicate with Chinese people from the outside world, aside from a very small number of carefully v…

We will give our freedoms away in name of preventing toxicity and hate speech. Won't you feel good you are helping squash bigots by giving your PII away

There's not a single social network that has begun to require phone verification because of the risk of "toxicity or hate speech". It's all to fight spam and to better track user activity (and, if we're being charitable to them, perhaps to stymie deliberate propaganda/fake news).

Re: We Chat, They Watch

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Superhero movies and blockbusters movies (and tv shows like Picard) always feature a part asian young character. I guess it helps their worldwide sales. Makes it easier to see the influence.

Wow, one character from a region that makes up 60% of the world's population? How radical. Next you'll be telling me that I should be worried because they included a black character and a female character. If anything, the fact that anyone considers this at all notable should be a sign of just how racially biased casting is in most Western media. The world isn't nearly as white as it looks on your TV.

yeah i literally dont get why the guy brought up race, they should be bringing up shit like video game companies making their black characters white to sell to china. or how about the basic example of blizzards fumbling of the pro hong kong competition winner last year
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