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Meanwhile, anti-anti-China people are ... often well meaning but a bit daft. One managed to mishear "Uighur Muslims" (yes, there are anti-anti-China people who don't know who they are, and yes, they misheard "Uighur" as a word starting with "N") and it took me quite some annoyance to get that straightened out and everybody on the "Chinese people pretty cool, Xi really not so much" page.

> it took me quite some annoyance to get that straightened out and everybody on the "Chinese people pretty cool, Xi really not so much" page. This shouldn't be hard to get across, except the CCP is very interested in ensuring people don't distinguish between the government of the People's Republic of China and Chinese people as a whole. Which leads to criticism of the CCP/PRC being seen as racist, which adds lots of…

Oh man, you really overestimate the CCP's media competence. Take a look at the state media and propaganda in China. It's all very traditional, very straightforward, mostly fact based (even if cherry-picked). Even the infamous 50 cents army is pretty stupid, and not what you think it is: https://www.quora.com/Does-the-50-cent-army-really-exist-and...

CCP influencing online discussions in the west? Hahahaha! As someone who's neutral (not even supportive) about the CCP, I can only hope that they become that competent within a decade. Those idiots still have no idea how sophisticated communication with western audiences needs to be. In the mean time, western media walks all over them, even with stories that are easily debunked.

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upspin.io seemed like a strong decentralized alternative from the same people who maintain the Go language, but unfortunately it seems defunct, judging by it's GitHub activity. Anyone know if it has been forked and maintained elsewhere?

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Scuttlebutt is an open source p2p gossip network (no central servers) that includes clients that implement chat, blogging, git and github replacements, Shamir's Secret sharing (splitting up a secret by encrypting it so that a number of your friends are needed to decrypt, via Dark Crystal [ https://darkcrystal.pw/] ), games and probably more that I am forgetting. You could easily place your public keys in your user pr…

Just looked in the repository, looks like there is an app for it on f-droid. Do you have experience with Manyverse / would you recommend it? app https://f-droid.org/app/se.manyver / website https://www.manyver.se/

I mainly use it on my laptop only, I try and keep my cellphone free of distractions. For that it's been no worse than any other open source project, a few hiccups at time, some technical know how is useful.

I'd suggest downloading it with a few people that are all on the same wifi so that you can find each other, and perhaps set up a pub if you don't know someone that is already apart of the network, as bootstrapping is from nothing is slow going.

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

>PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an overcomplicated mess.

Er what? The complaint about PGP is that it is too simple. Users have to know too much about how public key cryptography works. The suggested alternatives are much more complex.

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> You list a bunch of terms as if in a 'gotcha' manner, but pretty much all of those things have a different side to the story. I'll start with one thing, because addressing them all takes too long. What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners? > You think the Hong Kong rioters are fighting for freedom? Yes. > Take a look at how they attack innocent wo…

> What is the "different side to the story" of involuntary organ harvesting of political and religious prisoners? It's about the accuracy of the claim that there's involuntary harvesting going on: https://thegrayzone.com/2019/09/30/reports-china-organ-harve... There was harvesting going on of prisoners that have already been executed. China admitted as much: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wbxvZ2lIR08 This practice h…

Well met! I hope I don't sound like some maniac.

In re: the organ harvesting, I really hope you're right. I mean I really fervently hope you're right.

(It reminds me of the Walled City of Kowloon. I saw a BBC documentary about it and was haunted for years. Then one day I looked it up and, lo and behold, they had torn it down years ago. Always value new information, eh?)

> But the video footage speak for themselves.

But they don't. I'm not going to watch that (I have firm policy not to watch footage of IRL death. I watched "Faces of Death" in high school with my friends and regretted it.) but whatever it shows I'm not a video expert so I can't tell what it actually is: it could be fake, or even deepfake.

(FWIW I am firmly against setting people on fire, under pretty much any circumstance, for pretty much any reason. I think we can all agree that things have gone too far when someone gets immolated.)

When you get right down to it, I have no idea what's really going on over there, and no way of finding out.

The best I can do is go by things like the actual formal actions of the CCP, which don't seem good. (Although, as I say that, I recall that they presided over one of, if not the, greatest economic transformation on Earth. So: good job on that. Credit where credit is due.)

> check out Daniel Dumbrill

Despite what I just said, I'll do that. Always value new information, eh?

> I'll also tell you my point of view. I was born in the mainland, I now live in the Netherlands. My wife is a mainlander too. You're right that China as a culture and civilization is older than the CPP. Having said that, having studied China's history, I do think the CCP is the legitimate government of the mainland.

Cheers! Well met.

FWIW, I'm serious when I say I like China. Y'all are like a stern and distant Grandfather: wise and kind but also a little frightening. Don't tell the other Americans I said that, though, okay? ;-)

For me, it's useful emotionally to distinguish and blame "the Commies" because that way I can say to myself that Chinese people aren't to blame for the fucked up things the CCP does. In the USA, I feel that we are kind of all to blame for things like invading Iraq on a pretext, or electing a human cartoon character to be POTUS.

> I do think the CCP is the legitimate government of the mainland.

Yeah... * sigh * me too. But I don't like it.

It's been long enough IMO, and they are stable enough (again in my almost-worthless opinion) and the UN let them in, yeah?

Honestly, we over here were all set for the great Eastern Glasnost, if you will, and it's really a downer that China seems hung up on sabre-rattling. Can't we all just settle down and make some money? There are asteroids and Mars and places to go and things to do...

> The claim that it's a "regime that punishes criticism" is overblown. There's a core of truth, but overblown. Things haven't been that extreme since the 70s. Nowadays there are many people who do in fact criticize the government.

Again, I really and sincerely hope you are right!

As an American the very idea that someone from the government would get on my case for speech is preposterous. "Donald Trump is a pathetic excuse for a President!" See? No one cares. But jokes aside, as long as the CCP is punishing criticism at all they'll never be fully legitimate (again, in my all-but-worthless opinion!)

It's a weakness. Same with trying to rewrite history.

They either have to get their act together and be big enough to admit mistakes -or- pressure the rest of the whole wide world into toeing the line on their political picture-show. That sets them on an inevitable clash with Western-style freedom of speech. It's bad policy even for a legitimate government.

The stability of China is crucial to the whole world. If the legitimate government is weak that's a cause for concern.

But again, I know just enough about China to know how inadequate my knowledge is, so this is all just the ranting of a rando on the internet, eh? :-)

> For some perspective, try this video

I will. Despite it all, always value new information, eh?

> In 2019 there were protests in Guangdong about the building of a crematorium. https://mothership.sg/2019/12/news-china-protests-wenlou-hua.... The government did not arrest the peaceful protesters. They did arrest the violent ones, but even those were released later. Eventually, the government gave the protesters what they wanted.

Okay, but that happens here too. That wasn't the same thing as standing in front of the White House with a sign saying "Donald Trump is Winnie the Pooh".

> The people I talked to are on a VPN, operating on western websites, talking to me in private. The Chinese government is not monitoring those conversations.

Alright, I'll credit that. Cheers.

> Having lived in the west for so long, I also studied China for quite a while. The more I study, the more I realize that the western view of CCP is... not exactly wrong, but very very problematic.

Now that I agree with. Thank you for an enlightening conversation, and I really will read/watch those links (not the one with the person getting burned to death, but the other ones) FWIW.

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