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Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Since nobody's mentioned Wire, it's not a 1:1 alternative but it's close in terms of chat. I don't think any 1:1 alternative to KeyBase will rise up anytime soon, hosting git and files will be a bit to build up to.

Website:

https://wire.com/en/

Their backend is open source unlike KeyBase:

https://github.com/wireapp/wire-server

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#52

> I myself mostly use the following features from Keybase: Chat, KBFS, Git repositories and encrypting messages sent out-of-band via PGP in Keybase (and the various cryptographic tools [signing, validation etc]) While all these features are individually nice, I kinda started to worry about Keybase as a product when they started bolting on stuff like this. I think the key (pun intended) to stable & ongoing success in…

None of these really worried me. The Stellar airdrop was my "oh shit" moment.

These worried me. Then the airdrop panicked me! :)

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, Zoom is a US based company. Yes, they have a development team in China. It is valid to be concerned about the Chinese government exercising control of some sort over the local development team to put in a backdoor, just as our government seems to want to do to US developed products. No politicians really seem to like encryption very much. This is an overall geopolitical risk not unique to Zoom. But Zoom is not…

Yes, and I've clarified and fixed my originally badly described wording. I'll let Zoom describe this themselves. From Zoom's S-1 [1]: "In addition, we have a high concentration of research and development personnel in China, which could expose us to market scrutiny regarding the integrity of our solution or data security features. Any security compromise in our industry, whether actual or perceived, could harm our re…

Thanks for clarifying that, and yes, Zoom's s-1 writers did a good job of laying it out. The risks are real, and presenting them in an incorrect way makes it easy for people to dismiss the risks when they shouldn't. If the times comes because they're a Chinese company, and you check and see that they're a delaware c corp founded by a US citizen headquartered in the US, that would lead you to discount that risk. Clarifying that the risk comes from the development team being in a country where the government is in a contentious trade relationship with the US with an authoritarian regime (especially if the dev team isn't in one of the special economic zones) helps highlight what the risk is and confirm that it is a real threat.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Having development in the US just means they'd have to be concerned about illicit US government interference. How is that an improvement? https://www.aclu.org/other/surveillance-under-usapatriot-act https://www.eff.org/deeplinks/2020/03/earn-it-act-violates-c...

You're a troll.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

#57

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As a heavy Keybase user, this looks promising. Is the lack of chat a permanent decision, or is it just something that's planned for later?

Thank you! Currently it's not planned because it's a lack of focus and I believe that the existing alternatives (Signal & Matrix) are really good. Adding encrypted email is envisaged but it will be considered once the other features have reached stability (Email is such a mess...)

For encrypted email, maybe you could look for integration with something like mailpile.

Re: Ask HN: Keybase Alternatives?

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I am also curious here. I have used and advocated strongly for Keybase with a couple of local government clients to send sensitive files back and forth (not sensitive in the sense of national security, but more to preserve privacy and store encrypted at rest). But I want to get ahead of the concern that Keybase is now owned by a Chinese company, which instantly compromises it. PGP is dead on arrival, since it's an ov…

Zoom is not a Chinese company. The founder merely was born in China. He is US citizen. I am very put off by this anti-China rhetoric. Everything that even has a remote connection to China is now under suspicion. This is madness.

As others have pointed out, without rhetoric, over 700 Chinese nationals work for a couple of companies Zoom owns. Legal entities based in China. So, it's a China company and a US company. My wife works for an Indian/US company. It happens, and it's a thing.

The "rhetoric" of public opinion isn't always backed by logic, but it usually is backed by some good reason to be upset or irritated by the thing they (us in mass) are judging.

In this case, it's pretty clear that the Chinese government is acting divisively and is doing that either to protect itself (the leaders/their control) or the people (which is then implied they can't care for themselves or know better).

Either way, the route China (the govt.) has taken with business, politics, history, culture or whatever, is viewed less than desirable by Western culture. If you don't like the judgement, you can bitch about it or forget about it.

Not my horse, not my wagon. We've got bigger, oranger problems here.

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